"If you're not willing to pretend that matters of god can be certain, you're an atheist, and just say that, you fucking pussy."
-- Pen Jillette

An atheist justification for themselves... that it's pretence. After all, no one could propose something we're unable to rationally defeat :S

Not at all. The point is that so called agnostics are atheists, but for whatever reason do not use the term.

Edit: Although it is an atheist talking so he must either be calling people stupid or justifying his own beliefs, right?

Agnostics are atheists. They don't believe just as us atheists do.
They just want to be different.

Quote:"If you're not willing to pretend that matters of god can be certain, you're an atheist, and just say that, you fucking pussy."
-- Pen Jillette

Bollocks

By definition,an agnostic can be an an a-theist or a theist.


The terms have very different meanings. Atheism is about lack of BELIEF ,agnosticism is about lack of KNOWLEDGE.


----and Penn Jillette is an ignorant autodidact with a chip on his shoulder.

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(September 22, 2011 at 4:35 pm)Loading Please Wait Wrote: Agnostics are atheists. They don't believe just as us atheists do.
They just want to be different.

Bollocks.

An agnostic does not necessarily say he does not believe, he may say only that he does not know.

The agnostic may believe in a god,but also believe that god is unknowable.That position has been common among mystics for centuries.

(September 22, 2011 at 4:21 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Not at all. The point is that so called agnostics are atheists, but for whatever reason do not use the term.

Not all. I am both atheist (I do not believe in any deities) and agnostic (I do not know[1] of the existence/non-existence of deities). There are also agnostic theists (who believe, but do not know).

Agnosticism isn't some point along the axis of belief/non-belief. It's something entirely different.

[1] "Know" as in "justified true belief".

Quote:ot all. I am both atheist (I do not believe in any deities) and agnostic (I do not know[1] of the existence/non-existence of deities). There are also agnostic theists (who believe, but do not know).

Agnosticism isn't some point along the axis of belief/non-belief. It's something entirely different.

Then there are theists who don't know either, but like to pretend that their particular brand of bullshit doesn't stink.

Agnostics are simply chicken atheists who cowardly play both sides against the middle.

(September 24, 2011 at 12:42 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: Agnostics are simply chicken atheists who cowardly play both sides against the middle.

A silly,ignorant and untrue thing to say.

(see my explanation post#5, above)

(September 24, 2011 at 12:42 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote: Agnostics are simply chicken atheists who cowardly play both sides against the middle.

I agree. Being 99.9999% certain that gods do not exist means the tag atheist just about covers it.
Agnostics amplify the 00.0001% chance of gods existing . Why?