(October 14, 2018 at 3:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That was an accidental plane crash while attempting a rescue mission.  That is hardly "firing a shot in anger."

(October 14, 2018 at 2:37 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(October 14, 2018 at 2:24 pm)skyking Wrote: we already have a thread on this subject, was this necessary?
To say any US president has blood on his hands is like saying the sky is blue. Name one who does not? I'll wait here.

Jimmy Carter

(October 14, 2018 at 12:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

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Yes I do and?

I love my species POTENTIAL for compassion and empathy, and I have run into humans online worldwide who convey that, and read about such humans in our species history. People like Ann Frank and Martin Luther King Jr and Malala are humans we need more of. 

But why should I apologize for telling religious individuals to fuck off when they promote violence, oppression and bigotry?

And what would make you think I agree with all atheists all the time just because I blaspheme religion? I have never liked Atheist Ayn Rand and her economic "fuck you I got mine" view. 

I HATE that Myanmar's Buddhists are oppressing Muslims. I hate that Sunnis and Shiites kill each other. I hate that Bibi has made Palestine a prison. I hate that Protestants and Catholics in Ireland still to this day have an uneasy truce. I hate that Trump voting evangelicals are only a few election cycles away from turning America into a theocracy.

I don't hate my fellow humans POTENTIAL for non violence and compassion. My fellow humans are QUITE CAPABLE of it when we want to be. I do hate that not enough humans see that religion is a horrible way to conduct political diplomacy, even between the sub sects of the same umbrella labels.

What should matter to humans, are not the differences in our tribal clubs, but in that we are not a separate species.

I am not hard on religion because I think there will be a utopia godless world. I am hard on religion because it should not be the priority of our species outside human rights. It should matter more that we solve world problems such as poverty and pollution and worker stability worldwide. 

For all the good religious people claim their respective labels do, it causes more problems than it solves. 

Yes I do have a "bug" up my ass  because I know my fellow humans are far better than our bullshit tribalism.

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(October 14, 2018 at 2:48 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(October 14, 2018 at 9:42 am)Brian37 Wrote: It is up to our intel, if the orange turd would let it's do it's job, which the fucker probably wont considering he bragged about making lots of personal money off doing business with the Saudis. There still is a dispute between Saudi Arabia and Turkey as to who did what, but still. It fucking stinks and the fact that 45 has been vilifying the press and admits to making money with that oppressive theocracy, would not shock me in the least that they looked at his behavior here and thought it was ok because he was vilifying journalists here..

There was leaked info a while back that MBS said "Kushner is in my pocket". The Sauds do not think and act smartly; all they need is the support of a superpower like the U.S, and they will assume that -just like MBS have said-: "Kushner is in my pocker". Probably they think the same about Trump also.

With such mentality, they will do whatever they wanna do, and think the U.S will cover their asses because they paid for that protection. 1 think that tells you Trump is mentally stupid to get involved with these trash.

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(October 14, 2018 at 10:08 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Sounds like reverse engineered assignment of guilt to me.


How this works -- you dislike the current President ( and I do too) find something bad that happened, anywhere in the world - assign blame to US President.


Not realistic - but I suppose it vents your spleen.


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You've been living under a rock or something?
The first visit Trump made as a president was to Saudi Arabia..

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(October 14, 2018 at 10:21 am)wyzas Wrote: The US has had blood in it's hand for years and with many presidents. While sad and disturbing, the Saudi/Trump actions are not a special case.

Since the U.S's inheritance of the previously-British vessel, it did nothing but supporting the kingdom year after year. You have a point.

(October 14, 2018 at 4:28 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(October 14, 2018 at 2:48 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: There was leaked info a while back that MBS said "Kushner is in my pocket". The Sauds do not think and act smartly; all they need is the support of a superpower like the U.S, and they will assume that -just like MBS have said-: "Kushner is in my pocker". Probably they think the same about Trump also.

With such mentality, they will do whatever they wanna do, and think the U.S will cover their asses because they paid for that protection. 1 think that tells you Trump is mentally stupid to get involved with these trash.

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You've been living under a rock or something?
The first visit Trump made as a president was to Saudi Arabia..

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Since the U.S's inheritance of the previously-British vessel, it did nothing but supporting the kingdom year after year. You have a point.

Exactly how does the president' s past travel arrangements relate to an alleged killing by foriegn nationals over a year later??

Nothing???  

But damn, ya oughta be able to make a conspiracy out of it.

Just add more black helicopters.

(October 14, 2018 at 4:35 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(October 14, 2018 at 4:28 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Exactly how does the president' s past travel arrangements relate to an alleged killing by foriegn nationals over a year later??

Nothing???  

But damn, ya oughta be able to make a conspiracy out of it.

Just add more black helicopters.

With all due respect; I think the level of your political capacity is very limited; because even a child would understand that "a list usually has the most important element at the top".

(October 14, 2018 at 3:24 pm)skyking Wrote:

(October 14, 2018 at 3:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: That was an accidental plane crash while attempting a rescue mission.  That is hardly "firing a shot in anger."

The embassy was stormed shortly after Carter allowed the Shah to come to the US for medical treatment. It was an unnecessary risk, and I do think it contributed to the taking of the embassy. He could get medical care at any number of countries that were not so deeply involved.

Quote:Declassified documents released last week shed light on the Central Intelligence Agency’s central role in the 1953 coup that brought down Iranian Prime Minister Muhammad Mossadegh, fueling a surge of nationalism which culminated in the 1979 Iranian Revolution and poisoning U.S.-Iran relations into the 21st century.

(October 14, 2018 at 5:26 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(October 14, 2018 at 4:35 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: With all due respect; I think the level of your political capacity is very limited; because even a child would understand that "a list usually has the most important element at the top".

And you failed to make a connection.

Not surprising.

You simply reiterated two unlinked bits of unrelated data.


That' s all you have.

Here' s another example of such a failed linking -

People eat food - people get cancer - cure cancer by not eating food.

(October 15, 2018 at 10:59 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(October 14, 2018 at 5:26 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: And you failed to make a connection.

Not surprising.

You simply reiterated two unlinked bits of unrelated data.


That' s all you have.

Here' s another example of such a failed linking -

People eat food - people get cancer - cure cancer by not eating food.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...66556.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/15/opini...index.html

I shouldn't be wasting my time on you; but just for the benefit of the doubt.
Also; if you need help lifting the rock that is covering the cave you're in, tell me.

(October 14, 2018 at 7:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(October 14, 2018 at 3:24 pm)skyking Wrote: The embassy was stormed shortly after Carter allowed the Shah to come to the US for medical treatment. It was an unnecessary risk, and I do think it contributed to the taking of the embassy. He could get medical care at any number of countries that were not so deeply involved.

The shah was our puppet.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/06/20/64-...ehran-oil/

Quote:Declassified documents released last week shed light on the Central Intelligence Agency’s central role in the 1953 coup that brought down Iranian Prime Minister Muhammad Mossadegh, fueling a surge of nationalism which culminated in the 1979 Iranian Revolution and poisoning U.S.-Iran relations into the 21st century.

One of many that we supported in the name of "democracy."