(November 11, 2018 at 7:04 pm)Losty Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 7:02 pm)Everena Wrote: It certainly doesn't appear to be, and that is why reincarnation and karma are the only logical explanations that could possibly make it a fair and just universe.

Well crap...I already said you weren’t Little Rik. Don’t make me out to be a liar 😝

???? Not sure what you mean and who is Little Rik?

 Billions of people in the world believe in karma and reincarnation (Hindus and Buddhists actually refer to it as such) and additionally the concept of karma is mentioned in the Bible over 80 times including eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, you reap what you sow, live by the sword, die by the sword. Carefully consider what you hear, with the measure you use, it will be measured to you and even more, Everyone will be salted with fire, etc etc etc and it is also mentioned in the Koran numerous times. The concept of karma is literally everywhere in religion, they just don't all preach reincarnation. In Christianity though, Jesus comes back , and Jesus said that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah.

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(November 11, 2018 at 7:06 pm)Losty Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 6:57 pm)Everena Wrote: As I said, I think this is "hell" or karma,  playing itself out right in front our very eyes. And starving children could be souls who have come to teach us important lessons about generosity and compassion and kindness and empathy.

Ok...hold on. You believe that innocent children suffer in order to teach us lessons and that is fair and just? I don’t get it

I think we all suffer in every life here. I think the children could be souls martyring themselves for the higher good or they could be angels. We produce enough food to feed 10 billion people, yet the richest among us will not provide the resources to get the food to the people who are in need. That makes me sick and I hope it makes you sick. These lessons of compassion and generosity are important ones.

(November 11, 2018 at 7:15 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 7:04 pm)Losty Wrote: Well crap...I already said you weren’t Little Rik. Don’t make me out to be a liar 😝

???? Not sure what you mean and who is Little Rik?

 Billions of people in the world believe in karma and reincarnation (Hindus and Buddhists actually refer to it as such) and additionally the concept of karma is mentioned in the Bible over 80 times including eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, you reap what you sow, live by the sword, die by the sword. Carefully consider what you hear, with the measure you use, it will be measured to you and even more, Everyone will be salted with fire, etc etc etc and it is also mentioned in the Koran numerous times. The concept of karma is literally everywhere in religion, they just don't all preach reincarnation. In Christianity though, Jesus comes back , and Jesus said that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah.

Sure. And it is a particularly insidious and evil concept. Also, it is not in the bible at all. The concept of "an eye for an eye" was not karma at all. It was that the punishment should not exceed the severity of the crime, a practice which was commonplace at the time. Indeed it is borrowed from Hammurabi.

Do not even attempt to use the risible koran as evidence of anything.

In the bible, jesus was not the first to come back and it is not the same concept as reincarnation at all.

You really can't help with the lies, can you.

Quote:Billions of people in the world believe in karma and reincarnation

Fortunately, truth isn't a democratic process. How widespread a particular belief happens to be has no bearing on the truth or falsity of that belief, and isn't even a good argument for accepting that belief.  Billions of people believe in astrology, Father Christmas, good luck charms, and all manner of nonsense.

Quote:(Hindus and Buddhists actually refer to it as such)

Silly old buggers, them.

Quote:and additionally the concept of karma is mentioned in the Bible over 80 times including eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, you reap what you sow, live by the sword, die by the sword.

Slavery, child murder and rape are also mentioned in the Bible, doesn't mean we have to support these things.

You're really quite stupid, aren't you?

Boru

(November 11, 2018 at 7:08 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 7:05 pm)Everena Wrote: I do see your point. I think it is far better though, to have an explanation for suffering and misery than to not have one. The suffering is happening either way, so...

In that case Occam's Razor applies and you are on the wrong side of it.

Do you even care if what you believe is true?

I know what I believe is true. I just can't prove it to you because you are not me and you have not experienced what I have experienced. One day you will though and it will all seem a lot more positive and all for the good of humanity than it may sound to you now. Humans are striving to become perfect and more godlike so we are eventually deserving of an eternal paradise. Suffering through pain you have intentionally caused to others teaches incredibly valuable lessons and makes us better people.

You don't, in point of fact, know that what you believe is true.  You can't even begin to show what you claim to know.

QED.

(November 11, 2018 at 7:15 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 7:06 pm)Losty Wrote: Ok...hold on. You believe that innocent children suffer in order to teach us lessons and that is fair and just? I don’t get it

I think we all suffer in every life here. I think the children could be souls martyring themselves for the higher good or they could be angels. We produce enough food to feed 10 billion people, yet the richest among us will not provide the resources to get the food to the people who are in need. That makes me sick and I hope it makes you sick. These lessons of compassion and generosity are important ones.

Bullshit. First, demonstrate that souls exist, then explain how an immortal soul can martyr itself. Then demonstrate that angels exist.

As for the food to feed 10 billion, what do you propose? Shall we pop our leftovers in an envelop and forward it to Africa?

You haven't a clue, do you.

(November 11, 2018 at 7:08 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 7:04 pm)Everena Wrote: I believe we exist in two universes at the same time and never really die.

And, as I said, with the same authority and evidence, the moon is made of green cheese, and grazing upon it, are pink sparkly unicorns. 
Repeating shit, does not make it anything else. 

Your statement is an example of the well-known fallacy : "affirming the consequent". Congratulations.

Thank you. And science has already proven that particles and atoms can exist in two places at the same time, and now they have discovered this with bacteria, so it is only a matter of time.

(November 11, 2018 at 7:22 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 7:08 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: In that case Occam's Razor applies and you are on the wrong side of it.

Do you even care if what you believe is true?

I know what I believe is true.

How?

(November 11, 2018 at 7:12 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 6:54 pm)Everena Wrote: A six year old dying of cancer could be here to teach important lessons of compassion, kindness and empathy. And there is no real death when you believe in eternal life.

You realise that you are justifying making NO attempt to cure the child as doing so would obviate your god's lesson, right?

She's the same asshole who probably believes that rape is okay as long as it's committed by a god believer. Because you know, the rape victim is here to teach us all about compassion and empathy. As if the victim's suffering is entirely for the benefit of others.

What a sick fuck she is.

(November 11, 2018 at 7:23 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 7:15 pm)Everena Wrote: I think we all suffer in every life here. I think the children could be souls martyring themselves for the higher good or they could be angels. We produce enough food to feed 10 billion people, yet the richest among us will not provide the resources to get the food to the people who are in need. That makes me sick and I hope it makes you sick. These lessons of compassion and generosity are important ones.

Bullshit. First, demonstrate that souls exist, then explain how an immortal soul can martyr itself. Then demonstrate that angels exist.

As for the food to feed 10 billion, what do you propose? Shall we pop our leftovers in an envelop and forward it to Africa?

You haven't a clue, do you.

Yes, i propose that we stop wasting food and find a way to get it to the people who need it since our farmers grow enough food to feed 1.5 times the population of the world.

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(November 11, 2018 at 7:26 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 7:22 pm)Everena Wrote: I know what I believe is true.

How?

Logic combined with personal experiences.

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(November 11, 2018 at 7:20 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(November 11, 2018 at 7:15 pm)Everena Wrote: ???? Not sure what you mean and who is Little Rik?

 Billions of people in the world believe in karma and reincarnation (Hindus and Buddhists actually refer to it as such) and additionally the concept of karma is mentioned in the Bible over 80 times including eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, you reap what you sow, live by the sword, die by the sword. Carefully consider what you hear, with the measure you use, it will be measured to you and even more, Everyone will be salted with fire, etc etc etc and it is also mentioned in the Koran numerous times. The concept of karma is literally everywhere in religion, they just don't all preach reincarnation. In Christianity though, Jesus comes back , and Jesus said that John the Baptist was the reincarnation of Elijah.

Sure. And it is a particularly insidious and evil concept. Also, it is not in the bible at all. The concept of "an eye for an eye" was not karma at all. It was that the punishment should not exceed the severity of the crime, a practice which was commonplace at the time. Indeed it is borrowed from Hammurabi.

Do not even attempt to use the risible koran as evidence of anything.

In the bible, jesus was not the first to come back and it is not the same concept as reincarnation at all.

You really can't help with the lies, can you.

Eye for an eye is exactly what karma is, and the Christians disagree with you about the concept of karma being in the Bible. They just don't call it karma, but it is very clear that that is precisely what it is Read the following link from a Christian website if you don't believe me. https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-...out-karma/