(November 14, 2018 at 12:06 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 14, 2018 at 12:05 pm)Joods Wrote: No you haven't. You've won nothing. I am beginning to think you are a sock of CDF because this is the exact same thing he has been saying since page one of this redundant thread. 
Nice try though. Thanks for playing.

That was my first thought as well. It's quite common for trolls to create a sock account to argue alongside them.

I want so badly to believe that this really is the case. Why? Because CDF would get banned and is alter ego would go away as a result. But honesly, staff would have caught it by now and not have let this go on as long as it has. Maybe a relative like a sister or some other immediate family member who could potentially have similar characteristics? Who knows. This whole thread has grown was past it's expiration date and really serves no other purpose than to irritate everyone.

(November 14, 2018 at 12:06 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: I've never seen a "problem" with consciousness.
We know it's entirely dependent on functioning brains. They have "mapped" individual functions (hearing, judgment, planning etc) to specific identified brain areas, which ... if damaged by trauma or stroke or other diseases, impair that function. Sensory inputs, rapidly referenced to memory produces what we experience as "now", (but in fact isn't "now" ... it took a few nanoseconds to "process the inputs", so it's really already "past".

Quite agree.

Consciousness isn't a single binary state where you either have it or you don't. Some people are more conscious of why they act than others. So at it's simplest level it could be nothing more than a reading of the general activity of a neural network fed back in as an input.

For example, if you feel stressed, you generally try and figure out why.

I don't see it as a hard problem at all. It only becomes hard once you use words like qualia. But then this becomes a problem of defining your words.

Quote:Food is designed for us.

LMFAO
One of THE most stupid and ignorant things EVER posted here.
Early humans migrated due to many factors, such as changing climate and landscape and inadequate food-supply.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of..._migration
Evolutionary adaptation to food changes.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4163920/

"The domestication of plants and animals roughly 10,000 years ago profoundly changed human diets, and it gave those individuals who could best digest the new foods a selective advantage. The best understood of these adaptations is lactose tolerance (Sabeti et al., 2006; Bersaglieri et al., 2004). The ability to digest lactose, a sugar found in milk, usually disappears before adulthood in mammals, and the same is true in most human populations. However, for some people, including a large fraction of individuals of European descent, the ability to break down lactose persists because of a mutation in the lactase gene (LCT). This suggests that the allele became common in Europe because of increased nutrition from cow's milk, which became available after the domestication of cattle. This hypothesis was eventually confirmed by Todd Bersaglieri and his colleagues, who demonstrated that the lactase persistence allele is common in Europeans (nearly 80% of people of European descent carry this allele), and it has evidence of a selective sweep spanning roughly 1 million base pairs (1 megabase). Indeed, lactose tolerance is one of the strongest signals of selection seen anywhere in the genome. Sarah Tishkoff and colleagues subsequently found a distinct LCT mutation also conferring lactose tolerance, in this case in African pastoralist populations, suggesting the action of convergent evolution (Tishkoff et al., 2007)."
https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpag...eage-12397

https://www2.palomar.edu/anthro/adapt/adapt_5.htm

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf...0363-1.pdf

In fact, human adaptation to the foods they found available in their environment, or the need to MOVE to a more advantageous environment IS a huge field, in, and of itself, in Evolutionary Biology. Her response to my statement that animals and humans adopted to the foods they found was "bullshit" is more evidence of her total ignorance of the subject she pretends to speak about.

(November 14, 2018 at 12:06 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 14, 2018 at 12:05 pm)Joods Wrote: No you haven't. You've won nothing. I am beginning to think you are a sock of CDF because this is the exact same thing he has been saying since page one of this redundant thread. 
Nice try though. Thanks for playing.

That was my first thought as well. It's quite common for trolls to create a sock account to argue alongside them.

I don't think CDF is intentionally trolling. I think he's sincere. Additionally, I don't think CDF possesses the capacity to create such different personas.

(November 14, 2018 at 12:15 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(November 14, 2018 at 12:06 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: I've never seen a "problem" with consciousness.
We know it's entirely dependent on functioning brains. They have "mapped" individual functions (hearing, judgment, planning etc) to specific identified brain areas, which ... if damaged by trauma or stroke or other diseases, impair that function. Sensory inputs, rapidly referenced to memory produces what we experience as "now", (but in fact isn't "now" ... it took a few nanoseconds to "process the inputs", so it's really already "past".

Quite agree.

Consciousness isn't a single binary state where you either have it or you don't. Some people are more conscious of why they act than others. So at it's simplest level it could be nothing more than a reading of the general activity of a neural network fed back in as an input.

For example, if you feel stressed, you generally try and figure out why.

I don't see it as a hard problem at all. It only becomes hard once you use words like qualia. But then this becomes a problem of defining your words.

Exactly ... (I had a huge argument over this on TTA ... heh heh) ... Philosophers ask "Well, what is the sensation of red, or the taste of wine" ....
And the answer is very simple. It's what one *learned* (experienced and labeled for oneself to be that). Qualia is a totally unnecessary useless idea.

(November 14, 2018 at 12:25 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 14, 2018 at 12:06 pm)Mathilda Wrote: That was my first thought as well. It's quite common for trolls to create a sock account to argue alongside them.

I don't think CDF is intentionally trolling.  I think he's sincere.  Additionally, I don't think CDF possesses the capacity to create such different personas.

How do you know CDF is not a created persona meant to wear a manufactured sincerity? Admittedly it takes patience to keep it up for as long as he had.

Demonstrate that we aren't philosophical zombies, either literally or figuratively, and then we can talk about what science does or doesn't know about it.

(November 14, 2018 at 6:27 am)Deesse23 Wrote: I didnt say you denied it, i just said you are ignorant (of which there is a mountain of evidence in this thread)
Everena: I am ignorant of what exactly? Show me any evidence of it from this thread.
, which is a factual statement.

Please define what an "entirely different" species is which evolution cant provide,
Everena: No kidding. That was my point
and what a "non-entirely different species is" which evolution can provide.  
Everena: And that is adaption. Also my point.
I agree that horses and asses arent much different, but i am not the one claming that there is a "threshold" of being so different that evolution cant happen and "goddidit".
Everena: I am not interested in a discussion about adaption. There is a ton of evidence to support it, like I just said.
Lets stick with hoofed animals like horses and asses: What can evolution turn them into and what not, or in reverse: From what can they originate and from what not.

Thx.

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(November 14, 2018 at 6:35 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(November 13, 2018 at 4:54 pm)Everena Wrote: I said bigger than this planet so learn to read. And form and force is what I meant. (You know, like may the force be with you. lol)

Learn to backpedal. You said:

Quote:I believe God is a massive force of energy, bigger than this entire planet.

So what "form and force of energy, bigger than this planet" were you talking about?

I just stated what I envision God to be. I've thought so since I was 3 yrs old

(November 14, 2018 at 12:44 pm)Everena Wrote: I just stated what I envision God to be. I've thought so since I was 3 yrs old

Three year old babies believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. I wouldn't consider it an accomplishment to believe in a third fictional character known as god at that age.

I view god as fictional.

Have since I was eight. And the only reason I believed is that I was taught to believe.

The god concept has to be taught. It doesn't come naturally to people or kids. I would expect it yo if this god being existed.