(November 17, 2018 at 12:17 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 11:41 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: I've been accused of many things, but as I think most here can attest, denying logic is not in any way characteristic of me.  Maybe you're just projecting.

Really? Explain how DNA could just create itself then. Explain how this entire universe could just create itself. Explain why we have food for 7.8 million different species of conscious life on this planet. Explain why we have a sex drive and a will to live. Why would nothingness even care if we had genitals, a sex drive, consciousness, emotions or a will to live? Nothingness cannot care. Explain why on top of all that and our amazing abilities to see and smell and hear and feel, and to think, why we also have a planet with electricity, fire, and a vast amount of useful materials and resources? There is too much luck and chance you have to believe as an atheist --to the point that it goes beyond what any rational thinking person would believe.

(November 17, 2018 at 2:00 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 1:46 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: I do.  A real one.  And I went pretty far in it, not just enough to say i’ve Been to college. Enough To enable me to not make the sort of dumb remarks and assertions that you do.

I do have far more than just a few clues about how chemicals came to be.  Admittedly we do not yet understand fully how each step works. We certainly have enough steps well described to sketch a pretty clear overall picture.

But I won’t waste time because Your concern is not really with knowing how the chemicals came about.  If I tell you the entire process, you will just stupidly ask “who designed the process” and “why was it designed that way”.

Your concern is to anthropomorphize everything like a child into the kindergarten context of goal and intention, without understanding even goals and intentions are but menifestations of underlying processes that formulated the goals and intentions.   The fundamental issue is there is no such thing as why.  Why is just an anthropomorphic if attempt to glossing over unclarity in the how.   Design also fundamentally answers nothing.  Design is also just a anthropomorohizinf attempt at glossing over the unclarity in the how.

Wow- I have never seen anyone more brainwashed by atheist bullshit in my entire life. And did they forget to teach you how to spell during this "real" education you supposedly got? Ours is the only logical conclusion. You have no real argument, just illogical crap with no valid explanations for how everything or anything came to be from nothing with no intelligence, and that less than 7% of the world thinks is true.

(November 17, 2018 at 2:19 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 2:11 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I'm not aware of any evidence indicating that human beings die when they reach some unspecified level of certainty in any given thing.  That would be a serious design flaw, if it were so..given our propensity to certitude.

Here ya go:
 http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...nd-europe/
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landsc...tribution/

(November 17, 2018 at 3:02 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 2:50 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: Once again, you asked for positive evidence, and when that scientific, peer-reviewed evidence was placed before you, you rejected it with nothing other than denial and personal incredulity. It convinces me because it meets scientific standards of inquiry. It doesn't convince you because you have already rejected it beforehand. You lack the intellectual honesty to put your cherished beliefs to the test. You will never learn, because you do not WANT to learn.

I could say the same thing to you about God. And I don't want to argue about why I don't have 100% faith in the men in science anymore.

(November 17, 2018 at 2:58 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 2:09 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: There are 11.7 million different species of life on this planet, including plants. There are more people than ever before- 7.53 billion. And I do not care if some mold spores and bacterias and germs and insects and certain animals went extinct. There was probably a very good reason for it.

Overhunting, habitat destruction, climate change. I'm sure those are great reasons.

EVERENA: Humans cause some bad things to happen... and?

Quote:Our atmosphere is fine. Who are you kidding?

Our atmosphere is fine? Nitrogen and argon are inert. Oxygen is toxic.

EVERENA :Really? Try to breathe without it. 

Quote:This planet was designed for our specific purpose here.

Which explains so very well why it had an atmosphere incapable of supporting human life for the first 2 Billion years and nothing living on land for 4 Billion years. Yup, definitely made just for us.

EVERENA: There was other important stuff happening here the first 2 billion years. 

Quote:And we are not supposed to be sure of anything, because that would negate our whole challenge. I am sure now, and I really think I may die soon because of being so sure. You are avoiding using logic about everything else and you quite obviously just don't want to believe in God or an afterlife.

Sorry, the narrative that I've been hearing from you was the old innocent "I just believe in a Creator" dodge. Does it now turn out that you've been less than fully honest and have a slightly more ridiculous theology?

EVERENA: Yeah yeah yeah. I know God exists, eternal life, I believe in karma and reincarnation and that we go through a series of lives here designed to eventually perfect us through our pain and struggles, enough to be deserving of eternal heaven/paradise.

Quote:On your deathbed you will though. It's amazing how atheists turn into believers as they age.

Somewhat less amazing how many Christians have to resort to threats if you don't believe in their imaginary friend.
EVERENA: I am not a Christian. It was not a threat.

(November 17, 2018 at 3:06 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 12:17 pm)Everena Wrote: Really? Explain how DNA could just create itself then. Explain how this entire universe could just create itself. Explain why we have food for 7.8 million different species of conscious life on this planet. Explain why we have a sex drive and a will to live. Why would nothingness even care if we had genitals, a sex drive, consciousness, emotions or a will to live? Nothingness cannot care. Explain why on top of all that and our amazing abilities to see and smell and hear and feel, and to think, why we also have a planet with electricity, fire, and a vast amount of useful materials and resources? There is too much luck and chance you have to believe as an atheist --to the point that it goes beyond what any rational thinking person would believe.

Although I could answer most of those scientific questions to a reasonable degree that is beside the point.

The main reason I do not and never have believed is that I find the idea of gods fucking stupid.


The fact that science agrees with me is just gravy.

(November 17, 2018 at 3:02 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 2:50 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: Once again, you asked for positive evidence, and when that scientific, peer-reviewed evidence was placed before you, you rejected it with nothing other than denial and personal incredulity. It convinces me because it meets scientific standards of inquiry. It doesn't convince you because you have already rejected it beforehand. You lack the intellectual honesty to put your cherished beliefs to the test. You will never learn, because you do not WANT to learn.

I could say the same thing to you about God. And I don't want to argue about why I don't have 100% faith in the men in science anymore.

(November 17, 2018 at 3:09 pm)Everena Wrote: Everena: Science doesn't agree with you. Most scientists believe in God.

(November 17, 2018 at 3:06 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 2:00 pm)Everena Wrote: Wow- I have never seen anyone more brainwashed by atheist bullshit in my entire life. And did they forget to teach you how to spell during this "real" education you supposedly got? Ours is the only logical conclusion. You have no real argument, just illogical crap with no valid explanations for how everything or anything came to be from nothing with no intelligence, and that less than 7% of the world thinks is true.

Well, I am well educated, which is why when I pay attention, I type without spelling errors.  

But you are ignorant and too stupid to realize it.  That’s why when you are paying attention, you are still ignorant and too stupid to realize it.

(November 17, 2018 at 3:06 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 2:19 pm)Everena Wrote: Here ya go:
 http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...nd-europe/
http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landsc...tribution/

Your reasoning is frighteningly flawed.

Both links show that older people are, on average, more likely to believe than younger people. That shows a difference in belief with age. Previous generations were more thoroughly indoctrinated and thus have more believers. Your churches are filled with the elderly and the current generation wants little to do with them. The churches themselves are going out of business and being torn down.

All you've proven is that your beliefs are tragically out of date.

(November 17, 2018 at 3:06 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(November 17, 2018 at 12:17 pm)Everena Wrote: Really? Explain how DNA could just create itself then. Explain how this entire universe could just create itself. Explain why we have food for 7.8 million different species of conscious life on this planet. Explain why we have a sex drive and a will to live. Why would nothingness even care if we had genitals, a sex drive, consciousness, emotions or a will to live? Nothingness cannot care. Explain why on top of all that and our amazing abilities to see and smell and hear and feel, and to think, why we also have a planet with electricity, fire, and a vast amount of useful materials and resources? There is too much luck and chance you have to believe as an atheist --to the point that it goes beyond what any rational thinking person would believe.

Although I could answer most of those scientific questions to a reasonable degree that is beside the point.

The main reason I do not and never have believed is that I find the idea of gods fucking stupid.


The fact that science agrees with me is just gravy.

So even if science did not answer those questions I would still not think god did it.

At least not until you can show me some solid evidence for a god or indeed any supernatural thing.

(November 17, 2018 at 3:09 pm)Everena Wrote: Science doesn't agree with you. Most scientists believe in God.