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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 18, 2018 at 11:21 am
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This is why there are so many threads littering the boards about this one idiotic argument. MK never gets past the assertion phase. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
This is amusing, because, if we imagine some universe in which something like this argument can be made to be lucid, at least, some sort of commitment to that and to the argument and a continuing duiscussion of it, rather than fitful starting and stopping at the same point, would be required to arrive at this state of affairs. I'm not sure that anyone who finds such an argument compelling, or has even an ounce of respect for the argument or whatever valid and plausible form it might be couched in, could be so careless and uninterested.
Is this argument or it's conclusion, is the notion that the moongod can be rationally argued, even, valued? Or are these yet more illusions?
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 18, 2018 at 11:24 am
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(November 18, 2018 at 10:49 am)MysticKnight Wrote: ...and we will look at very elaborate version of the moral argument...
You aren't competent in handling even basic arguments, why would we want to listen to you regarding anything complicated or elaborate?
(November 18, 2018 at 11:21 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: This is why there are so many threads littering the boards about this one idiotic argument. MK never gets past the assertion phase. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
This is amusing, because, if we imagine some universe in which something like this argument can be made to be lucid, at least, some sort of commitment to that and to the argument and a continuing duiscussion of it, rather than fitful starting and stopping at the same point, would be required to arrive at this state of affairs. I'm not sure that anyone who finds such an argument compelling, or has even an ounce of respect for the argument or whatever valid and plausible form it might be couched in, could be so careless and uninterested.
Is this argument or it's conclusion, is the notion that the moongod can be rationally argued, even, valued? Or are these yet more illusions?
He'd probably be more successful stealing from the playbook of the Platonists, but he won't do that because that would require reading a different book.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 18, 2018 at 11:33 am
(November 18, 2018 at 11:21 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: This is why there are so many threads littering the boards about this one idiotic argument. MK never gets past the assertion phase. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.
This is amusing, because, if we imagine some universe in which something like this argument can be made to be lucid, at least, some sort of commitment to that and to the argument and a continuing duiscussion of it, rather than fitful starting and stopping at the same point, would be required to arrive at this state of affairs. I'm not sure that anyone who finds such an argument compelling, or has even an ounce of respect for the argument or whatever valid and plausible form it might be couched in, could be so careless and uninterested.
Is this argument or it;s conclusion valued, or is that another illusion?
And in the next thread about it he will claim that his premises have been “thoroughly argued” and shown to be true, when in fact the opposite is true; he retreats the moment anyone pushes him even a little. What causes that kind of disconnect in a person’s brain? For someone who blathers on about self-reflecting and clear understanding of the ‘accurate self’, he seems about as clueless as anyone could possibly be.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 18, 2018 at 11:37 am
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Fear. Base, crippling, inescapable..fear. MK is completely terrified that there may be no "true version" of himself, and that..additionally, his life may be meaningless, that love..and by extension those who love him, those he loves, and his love for self, is ultimately rooted in folly.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 18, 2018 at 11:40 am
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LadyForCamus, if there is no way to getting to know our true selves mainly because there is no true self, then there is only misleading ways and all would be chasing the wind and it would be like seeking treasure at the end of the rainbow, there is nothing there. That destroys the meaning of all actions, it destroys everything we hold dear.
I went through two weeks where it seemed I was an illusion.
We can keep discussing or move on, up to you.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 18, 2018 at 11:41 am
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Fear, therefore djinn.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 18, 2018 at 11:42 am
(November 18, 2018 at 11:41 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Fear.
That's a good way to put it, fear is the best aspect of love and appreciation, it holds on to and firmly tries to protect what we hold dear.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 18, 2018 at 11:46 am
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Or, fear makes you act irrationally and without respect for the consequences of your thoughts and actions...as it has in every one of your threads. 50/50
You do understand that positing a god because you are terrified of some other thing is not an argument, correct? Why not address that fear directly?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 18, 2018 at 11:48 am
(November 18, 2018 at 11:37 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Fear. Base, crippling, inescapable..fear. MK is completely terrified that there may be no "true version" of himself, and that..additionally, his life may be meaningless, that love..and by extension those who love him, those he loves, and his love for self, is ultimately rooted in folly.
To be fair to MK, most humans do not like thinking they are finite, it reminds them of their mortality.
In the scope of 13.8 billion years yes, our lives are meaningless, even mine. But in the scope of the time you are born to the time you die, our lives as individuals certainly have meaning. We all want love, we all want security and safety where we live, and we all want a means to survive.
Best way to deal with MK is to offer him Sushi. It may not get him to change his mind, but I've warn him out a bit and I don't think he sees me as an enemy.
His romantic view of his religion annoys me sure, but by no means am I worried about him booking a one way flight into a skyscraper.
MK does not scare me as much as many of our right wing conservatives here in the states.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 18, 2018 at 11:50 am
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(November 18, 2018 at 11:46 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Or, fear makes you act irrationally and without respect for the consequences of your thoughts and actions...as it has in every one of your threads. 50/50
Undisciplined fear with misguided suspicions is bad.
But out the two wings of love and appreciation, hope and fear, fear is the greater of the two, because it protects and appreciates what we have, while hope seeks change for the better. Even though fear and hope should be the same amount, the greater honor and what guards our souls, is fear. Hope is needed to keep fear to continue protecting what we have, it's like the fuel. But fear is the eyes of patience, it holds steadfast and guards by wisdom from swerving from the path.
Hope keeps one going and rewards the soul with richness and sufficiency, but it's not the central soldier of intelligence, goodness, and armies of light. That's patient type fear. The patient type fear that guards and continues to guard and won't swerve in that regard, and if it does swerve, will come back to the path quickly.
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