I'm fairly confident that you are relieved of any obligation to present evidence for Exodus on this forum, as it's becoming painfully obvious that you will simply quote scripture. Most of us own or have access to a bible and are familiar with the story. We don't need you to be an arbitrator between god and ourselves, nor do we require that you read scripture to us, we can all read, obviously.

Jesus fucking christ.

(September 28, 2011 at 2:33 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: No. Jonah getting swallowed by a whale and surviving for three days inside it is more 'probable', and I use the term very very generously because its biologically impossible for most whales' anatomy to accomplish said feat, like Blue Whales for example, and Sperm Whales' lack of air cavities mean even if it happen you'd die of decompression sickness and/or asphyxiation within minutes.

Asphyxiation/drowning, yes. Decompression sickness, no - unless there was air available to breathe.

(September 28, 2011 at 2:58 pm)Rhythm Wrote: nor do we require that you read scripture to us, we can all read, obviously.

I reckon that's just a very poor and cheap attempt to convince us some how. You know, convince us to ignore facts.

There is evidence of regional floods. They happen all over the world.

A flood as described in the Bible did not, or could not have happened.

There are cultures all over the world that existed before the Biblical flood was supposed to have occurred and continued to survive during and after the Biblical flood supposedly occurred. Their history is continuous without any interruptions. If a global flood occurred, then why the cultures with continuous, uninterrupted histories?

There is no evidence in any field in science that a flood as described in the Bible could have, or did occur.

Wow...Rythm. This couldn't be the most disappointing thing you have experienced, there have been plenty of people before me that don't meet your standards.

Let's clear some things up: I thought you were giving me that link to look over what people were concerned about, but I thought I established in our second run with this that I would answer the question with some archeology. The question was "Did the flood occur?" I answered the general question, are you trying to tell me that I need to focus my research on the 11 topics that were presented from the link?

I believe you're well aware that I am not scientifically minded, that I am not going to use my personal time and life energy to look at wind patterns and the probability of the water vaporizing concerning the flood, there are apologetic websites about these subjects! You can read up on all of that for yourself!

http://www.reasons.org/astronomy/noahs-f...-article-1
http://www.apologeticspress.org/APConten...&topic=303

I thought the main reason for me to answer the question was so that you could see me evaluate evidence (or lack of it) and learn my opinion on what I've read. I thought it was so that you could see me think for myself and yes, I still trust God, and yes I am still expressing my thoughts the way that I do it. I didn't think that you actually wanted me to present a CASE, I'm not Lee Strobel!

Concerning my research. I am addressing creationism, evolution, the trinity and theories on the age of the world, but I don't have the time on my hands to write a book on any of these subjects! I barely have time to get on this forum anymore. Really, I don't know what you do in your spare time, but I have a life, I have a husband, I have a job, I have a family, I have a church, I have responsibilities, therefore the research that I "fit in" for you (and El Dinero), no matter how upsetting (or disappointing), shows my devotion to speaking for myself, thinking for myself to answering people I have no obligation to answer. You didn't specifically ask me a question that you were not sure of, that you were debating, you and El Dinero presented the fact that I expressed an interest to learn and you were checking to see if I would follow through with my interest. This is what I'm doing!

Whatever the case, just know that I have other things going on and I "make time" for you and everyone here because I care. And... you know what...I really don't need to take an earful from you, like this...
I have to get off. I have to get back to my job. Sorry I can't read everyone's responses, but I'll be back to answer.

Salty

You're the one that claimed that there was evidence for a flood. Should I link you to the posts? What's disappointing isn't that you didn't find any evidence, I knew before you began that you wouldn't. Whats disappointing is that you are unable to admit this, and instead make the statement that evidence for the flood narrative somehow depends on faith. It does not. Forgive me for calling bullshit when you claim to be thinking for yourself while quoting scripture.

So tell me, Salty, what have you learned? Don't even start in on some persecution bullshit. Who told you that you weren't beholden to us for any of this? Who told you to take your time? If you didn't want an earful, you shouldn't have posted that garbage.

(September 28, 2011 at 2:23 pm)salty Wrote: I bought an old book called The Bible As History by Werner Keller (New York, 1981).

I'd say that was a waste of money...

There is so much invalidating evidence for the ark story that I can't fathom how any reasonably intelligent adult could posibly believe it. For starters, how did certain species of animals end up on far-flung parts of the planet if the only living creatures emerged from a boat stranded on a mountain in Turkey roughly 4,000 years ago? How could kangaroos and koala bears have possibly made it to Australia? How did tortoises get to the Galapagos Islands? How did snakes get to South America? They swam the Pacific Ocean? And how could a handful of people construct a keel for a 450' long boat? The story makes no sense as literal history.

Salty is mad. She believes in fake shit, just like they all do. The best thing to do is ridicule their intelligence. World flood... ok tell me then where did all the extra water come from to encompass the whole earth, you can't make something out of nothing.
Its not real.
The bible is not written by any god, just men.
It is all stories and bullshit. And you actually believe it hahahahaha.I laugh at you, I feel sorry for you.
I have debated pastors and others like that, they can not and will not ever convince me of anything, because they lack things called FACTS. Just like you have none.
The basic premise can never be proven or validated.
The holy bible is fiction, plain and simple.

"supernatural considerations as to its origin" That is such a stupid thing to say. For real? Floods happen all the time, are they supernatural NO. Is anything proven to be supernatural NO. So how can you explain things as being supernatural, that is taking the lazy approach. MAGIC did it!!!! Such an anti-intellectual. hahaha. But you religious people give me tons of laughter...
Supernatural means defying physics. If that happened well the world would collapse as we know it, if I could all of a sudden magically go through walls, all laws that govern the universe would be in total chaos. You people don't think at all. Its sick.

Fact: Women lie.
My mother is a woman, therefore she’s a liar.

Uhhhhhh thats a fallacy, which is incorrect logic.

Species repopulated areas in such a convenient manner for evolutionary biologists, didn't they...lol.

Let's just say God didn't happen. So anything that was done by god either didn't happen or wasn't done by god. And nothing else did a global flood.