(November 21, 2018 at 6:51 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 21, 2018 at 1:55 pm)Everena Wrote: Answer to what question? I answered both your questions,you just don't like the answers because they once again disprove atheist propaganda.  Krauss is wrong (shocking) and no one yet knows which theory is the correct one regarding multiverses and the space time continuum.

I think the multiverse is BS.  Scientists came up with that because they couldn't handle this finite universe with the fine-tuning seen in it.  They found themselves in a universe which is super-symmetrical so they needed to come up with an infinite number of universe theory to try to explain that away.

You know, if all you god botherers could come up with a story that was both consistent and compelling, we wouldn't be laughing so hard. But when disparate god botherers who would just as soon spit on each other as look at them come together simply because doing so increases your apparent numbers you simply demonstrate what immoral hypocrites you are, making bedfellows with anyone so long as it serves your self-interest to do so, and just as quickly abandoning such solidarity when it is not. And then, we laugh all the harder.

Quote:Fine tuned universe:

Black holes swalliwing stars and planetary systems.
Colliding galaxies.
Gamma ray bursts that could wipe us out in sn instant.


Fine tuned Earth for humans:

70% of the surface uninhabitable by humans.
Diseases that wipe out millions every year (don't give me this "fall" nonsense).

In addition, the life of a black hole is 10^80 to 100 years. 
Human life has been around for a tiny tiny tiny fraction of that time. 
Whatever the universe is "fine tuned" for, it's not us.

A real god could have made life happen under any circumstances .... not just the narrow range in which it could have happened anyway.

The major predictor (overwhelmingly) of what religion a human will practice, is birth into a culture.
It has absolutely nothing to do with "logic".
http://www.theodysseyonline.com/childhoo...-religions

(November 21, 2018 at 2:25 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: This everena thinks she is cunning enough to start a cult.

Incorrect. She is cultish enough to be a....

Nevermind.

(November 21, 2018 at 4:31 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

Quote:CDF47
You have Isaiah 45:7 in your signature.  The ESV has it translated as, "I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the Lord, who does all these things."

I checked a number of Hebrew references and concordances .. they all translate it as "evil".
https://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1045.htm

"He created the light and created the darkness, he did well and created evil;
I am Yahweh, who does all of these things"
The Hebrew word for evil is, and that's what it says : רשע

Interesting.  That is the way KJV translates it as well.  ESV has a bad translation then.  ESV is normally a solid translation.

LOL, the esv is a blatantly partisan translation chock full of shit that no other translation has. They got so much greif for it they took down their own page that listed all differences.

My condolences to CDF.  Everena came totally out of the blue and stole of crown of ignorant and stupid proselytizing from under you.   If perservenence and unstinting effort were the only determinates, the crown would have rightfully been yours.   But although you are no slouch, she beat you in shamelessness fair and square.   And shamelessness is an indispensable part of proselytizing theism and foundational to hoisting the scam of the “savior” on a gullible and guileless humanity.   So it is harsh.

Actually, this is all very entertaining.

It doesn't really matter whether Everena is a troll or a new age religious wingnut. The text book demonstration of DK is one for the books but even more, the total lack of self awareness is something top behold.

What motivates troll or true bleever to prove themselves to be intellectually "sub-optimal"? Whatever it may be, it is a laugh a minute to see Ev disagreeing with herself so often.

Myself, I was thrown the ignore card early on because she couldn't handle direct pointy questions, so mostly I lurk the thread and laugh. Funniest part is when CDF and Everena try to support each other even though both consider the other to be flat out wrong. The attempts to square that particular circle is hilarious.

Rock on 2000 pages say I. It is comedy gold.

(November 21, 2018 at 8:01 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Actually, this is all very entertaining.

It doesn't really matter whether Everena is a troll or a new age religious wingnut. The text book demonstration of DK is one for the books but even more, the total lack of self awareness is something top behold.

What motivates troll or true bleever to prove themselves to be intellectually "sub-optimal"? Whatever it may be, it is a laugh a minute to see Ev disagreeing with herself so often.

Everena: You are delusional and a liar. Name one time that I ever I disagreed with myself. (crickets). Your argument is a total fail in logic, so you just make up lies about people and insult them with hopes that it will make you look smart. It doesn't.

(November 21, 2018 at 8:01 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Myself, I was thrown the ignore card early on because she couldn't handle direct pointy questions,

Name one question that I could not directly handle. More lies. None of you can ever back up any of your lies about either one of us with anything. You are living in a false reality of lies.

(November 21, 2018 at 8:01 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: so mostly I lurk the thread and laugh. Funniest part is when CDF and Everena try to support each other even though both consider the other to be flat out wrong.

No, we both know that you are flat out wrong. I respect Christianity and believe it may have been influenced by prophets of God and probably contains some the truth.

(November 21, 2018 at 8:01 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: The attempts to square that particular circle is hilarious.

Rock on 2000 pages say I. It is comedy gold.

But we are the only ones laughing. And we are laughing because you keep wanting to pretend that what you believe makes sense. It doesn't. And we will have the last laugh, because we are right.

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(November 21, 2018 at 7:36 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 21, 2018 at 6:51 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I think the multiverse is BS.  Scientists came up with that because they couldn't handle this finite universe with the fine-tuning seen in it.  They found themselves in a universe which is super-symmetrical so they needed to come up with an infinite number of universe theory to try to explain that away.

You know, if all you god botherers could come up with a story that was both consistent and compelling, we wouldn't be laughing so hard.  But when disparate god botherers who would just as soon spit on each other as look at them come together simply because doing so increases your apparent numbers you simply demonstrate what immoral hypocrites you are, making bedfellows with anyone so long as it serves your self-interest to do so, and just as quickly abandoning such solidarity when it is not.  And then, we laugh all the harder.

So what if he doesn't believe in multiverses? Every individual on earth has their own personal beliefs based on what makes the most sense to them. But as believers in God, and in a soul that exists separtely from the body, and in reward/redemption and eternal life, we agree on the most important stuff and we know that really pisses you off.

(November 21, 2018 at 7:49 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(November 21, 2018 at 4:31 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: I checked a number of Hebrew references and concordances .. they all translate it as "evil".
https://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1045.htm

"He created the light and created the darkness, he did well and created evil;
I am Yahweh, who does all of these things"
The Hebrew word for evil is, and that's what it says : רשע

Interesting.  That is the way KJV translates it as well.  ESV has a bad translation then.  ESV is normally a solid translation.

It's not a "bad" translation.... it's a "modern" translation designed to make religitards feel better about their murderous god.

(November 21, 2018 at 6:38 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: In every imaginable way, I would say. LOL.

LOL

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(November 21, 2018 at 6:56 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Yeah, sure, scientists sit around thinking so themselves "fuck, how can we deny the plain evidence of CDF's god?".  

I mean, if they didn't..they wouldn't get anything done!

It does seem to be a great motivator for them.