(November 25, 2018 at 11:44 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 11:40 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I Mississippi or Alabama?

In California.

Is there a town in Alabama or Mississippi called "California"?

(November 25, 2018 at 11:37 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:

(June 26, 2018 at 8:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: This was a scientific thread with religious implications.  Then I was asked religious questions which is understandable.

(November 25, 2018 at 11:32 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Twins?!? That study is on the bacteria Bacillus subtilis. Did you not read anything beyond the first word in the title?

You really assumed a lot for her. I'd suggest starting with something akin to Dr.Seuss and working up.

That would be insulting to all readers of doctor Seuss.


She needs to be remanded to an qualified institution for psychiatric evaluation.

(November 25, 2018 at 11:42 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 11:32 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Twins?!? That study is on the bacteria Bacillus subtilis. Did you not read anything beyond the first word in the title?

Bacteria that are twins. And?

No, twins that evolved into bacteria. : WTF did you get twins from?!?

(June 26, 2018 at 8:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: This was a scientific thread with religious implications.  Then I was asked religious questions which is understandable.

(November 25, 2018 at 11:47 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 11:42 pm)Everena Wrote: Bacteria that are twins. And?

No, twins that evolved into bacteria. : WTF did you get twins from?!?

Maybe she watched Basket Case too many times, Or that Devito/Schwarzenegger movie.

ETA oddest thing CDF47 being absent too for all this, Odd indeed.

The Uncaused Beginning of the Universe (Smith, 1988)

"There is sufficient evidence at present to justify the belief that the universe began to exist without being caused to do so. This evidence includes the Hawking-Penrose singularity theorems that are based on Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, and the recently introduced Quantum Cosmological Models of the early universe. The singularity theorems lead to an explication of the beginning of the universe that involves the notion of a Big Bang singularity, and the Quantum Cosmological Models represent the beginning largely in terms of the notion of a vacuum fluctuation. Theories that represent the universe as infinitely old or as caused to begin are shown to be at odds with or at least unsupported by these and other current cosmological notions."

First Cause is Dead. Penrose is mentioned so that should keep Everena happy.

Quote:I am not the least bit dumb.

"Methinks she doth protest too much"

This was already posted.
https://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/...heritance/
And more :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4517414/
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41437-018-0113-y
https://www.livescience.com/37703-epigenetics.html
https://www.labtestsonline.org.au/inside...pigenetics
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...124428.htm

(November 25, 2018 at 11:42 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 1:10 pm)Everena Wrote: Wrong, no.



A review and update of a controversial 20-year-old theory of consciousness claims that consciousness derives from deeper level, finer scale activities inside brain neurons. The recent discovery of quantum vibrations in "microtubules" inside brain neurons corroborates this theory, according to review authors. They suggest that EEG rhythms (brain waves) also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations, and that from a practical standpoint, treating brain microtubule vibrations could benefit a host of mental, neurological, and cognitive conditions.

Orch OR was harshly criticized from its inception, as the brain was considered too "warm, wet, and noisy" for seemingly delicate quantum processes.. However, evidence has now shown warm quantum coherence in plant photosynthesis, bird brain navigation, our sense of smell, and brain microtubules. The recent discovery of warm temperature quantum vibrations in microtubules inside brain neurons by the research group led by Anirban Bandyopadhyay, PhD, at the National Institute of Material Sciences in Tsukuba, Japan (and now at MIT), corroborates the pair's theory and suggests that EEG rhythms also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations. In addition, work from the laboratory of Roderick G. Eckenhoff, MD, at the University of Pennsylvania, suggests that anesthesia, which selectively erases consciousness while sparing non-conscious brain activities, acts via microtubules in brain neurons.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...085105.htm

Proven!

That quantum vibrations were recently discovered does not at all show that scientists doubted that quantum vibrations were a part of microtubules prior to that or that critics doubted that such was the case.  That's simply more bad logic on your part.  As the Wikipedia article on Orch OR notes, the criticism was concerning decoherence in such an environment.  To wit:

Quote:Decoherence in living organisms

In 2000 Tegmark claimed that any quantum coherent system in the brain would undergo effective wave function collapse due to environmental interaction long before it could influence neural processes (the "warm, wet and noisy" argument, as it was later came to be known).[18] He determined the decoherence timescale of microtubule entanglement at brain temperatures to be on the order of femtoseconds, far too brief for neural processing. Christof Koch and Klaus Hepp also agreed that quantum coherence does not play, or does not need to play any major role in neurophysiology.[21][22] Koch and Hepp concluded that ``The empirical demonstration of slowly decoherent and controllable quantum bits in neurons connected by electrical or chemical synapses, or the discovery of an efficient quantum algorithm for computations performed by the brain, would do much to bring these speculations from the ‘far-out’ to the mere ‘very unlikely’.''[21]

In response to Tegmark's claims, Hagan, Tuszynski and Hameroff[56][57] claimed that Tegmark did not address the Orch-OR model, but instead a model of his own construction. This involved superpositions of quanta separated by 24 nm rather than the much smaller separations stipulated for Orch-OR. As a result, Hameroff's group claimed a decoherence time seven orders of magnitude greater than Tegmark's, although still far below 25 ms. Hameroff's group also suggested that the Debye layer of counterions could screen thermal fluctuations, and that the surrounding actin gel might enhance the ordering of water, further screening noise. They also suggested that incoherent metabolic energy could further order water, and finally that the configuration of the microtubule lattice might be suitable for quantum error correction, a means of resisting quantum decoherence.

Since the 1990s numerous counter-observations to the "warm, wet and noisy" argument existed at ambient temperatures, in vitro[23][42] and in vivo (i.e. photosynthesis, bird navigation). For example, Harvard researchers achieved quantum states lasting for 2 sec at room temperatures using diamonds.[58][59] Plants routinely use quantum-coherent electron transport at ambient temperatures in photosynthesis.[60] In 2014, researchers used theoretical quantum biophysics and computer simulations to analyze quantum coherence among tryptophan π resonance rings in tubulin. They claimed that quantum dipole coupling among tryptophan π resonance clouds, mediated by exciton hopping or Forster resonance energy transfer (FRET) across the tubulin protein are plausible.[61]

In 2007, Gregory S. Engel, Professor in Chemistry at The University of Chicago, claimed that all arguments concerning the brain being "too warm and wet" have been dispelled, as multiple "warm and wet" quantum processes have been discovered.[60][62]

In 2009, Reimers et al. and McKemmish et al., published critical assessments.[19][37][45] Earlier versions of the theory had required tubulin-electrons to form either Bose–Einsteins or Frohlich condensates, and the Reimers group claimed that these were experimentally unfounded. Additionally they claimed that microtubules could only support 'weak' 8 MHz coherence. The first argument was voided by revisions of the theory that described dipole oscillations due to London forces and possibly due to magnetic and/or nuclear spin cloud formations.[6] On the second issue the theory was retrofitted so that 8 MHz coherence is sufficient to support the whole Orch-OR hypothesis.

McKemmish et al. made two claims: that aromatic molecules cannot switch states because they are delocalised; and that changes in tubulin protein-conformation driven by GTP conversion would result in a prohibitive energy requirement. Hameroff and Penrose responded to the first claim by stating that they were referring to the behaviour of two or more electron clouds, inherently non-localised. For the second claim they stated that no GTP conversion is needed since (in that version of the theory) the conformation-switching is not necessary, replaced by oscillation due to the London forces produced by the electron cloud dipole states.

Wikipedia || Orchestrated objective reduction, criticisms, decoherence in living organisms

I think if anybody or lots of somebodies were claiming there were no quantum vibrations in microtubules, they would have noted it.  But feel free to quote someone claiming that quantum vibrations do not occur in microtubules, because the above that you quoted isn't it.  Do that, and I'll concede the point.

It's in every single article I posted to him. The brain was considered to warm, wet and noisy for delicate quantum processes. What he said was that I needed to prove that quantum vibrations occuring in microtubules in the brain was a recent discovery, after I said they did not know about them until late 2013/early 2014. That is when it exactly was proven and corroborated and both quantum coherence and quantum vibrations occuring brain microtubules were proven at that time.

Orch OR was harshly criticized from its inception,as the brain was considered too "warm, wet, and noisy" for seemingly delicate quantum processes. However, evidence has now shown warm quantum coherence in plant photosynthesis, bird brain navigation, our sense of smell, and brain microtubules.
 The recent discovery of warm temperature quantum vibrations in microtubules inside brain neurons by the research group led by Anirban Bandyopadhyay, PhD, at the National Institute of Material Sciences in Tsukuba, Japan (and now at MIT), corroborates the pair's theory and suggests that EEG rhythms also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations. In addition, work from the laboratory of Roderick G. Eckenhoff, MD, at the University of Pennsylvania, suggests that anesthesia, which selectively erases  while sparing non-conscious brain activities, acts via microtubules in brain neurons.

https://phys.org/news/2014-01-discovery-...rates.html

https://www.scribd.com/document/31829521...sciousness

https://www.journals.elsevier.com/physic...vibrations

(November 25, 2018 at 11:40 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 11:39 pm)Everena Wrote: I am not a simpleton. I spent my youth in a gifted program for those with high intelligence, and I am college educated. And again you may think insulting people that you have never met and know nothing about makes you look smart, but it doesn't.

I Mississippi or Alabama?

It really says a lot about whether she is a simpleton, and whether she really has demonstrated any real respectable judgement, attainment, or ability in life to point to, besides making hollow and rather sad boasts about herself , browbeat other people, and push her brand of flimflam on the internet, if she thinks it remains a worthy bragging point for a adult to claim she had “spent her youth in a gifted program”, or to be “college educated” in a country where 69.6% of highschool graduates receive college education of some kind.  

You are not just a dumb simpleton in terms of real ability, Everena, you are a zero in all ways except in the magnitude of your dishonesty and in the unredeemability of your personality.

(November 25, 2018 at 11:47 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 11:42 pm)Everena Wrote: Bacteria that are twins. And?

No, twins that evolved into bacteria. : WTF did you get twins from?!?

Clonality, now get to the point. What point are you trying to make with this article about twin bacteria?

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(November 25, 2018 at 11:46 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 11:44 pm)Everena Wrote: In California.

Is there a town in Alabama or Mississippi called "California"?

No, I grew up in Novato, California. In Marin County.

(November 25, 2018 at 11:59 pm)Everena Wrote:

(November 25, 2018 at 11:42 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: That quantum vibrations were recently discovered does not at all show that scientists doubted that quantum vibrations were a part of microtubules prior to that or that critics doubted that such was the case.  That's simply more bad logic on your part.  As the Wikipedia article on Orch OR notes, the criticism was concerning decoherence in such an environment.  To wit:


I think if anybody or lots of somebodies were claiming there were no quantum vibrations in microtubules, they would have noted it.  But feel free to quote someone claiming that quantum vibrations do not occur in microtubules, because the above that you quoted isn't it.  Do that, and I'll concede the point.

It's in every single article I posted to him. The brain was considered to warm, wet and noisy for delicate quantum processes. What he said was that I needed to prove that quantum vibrations occuring in microtubules in the brain was a recent discovery, after I said they did not know about them until late 2013/early 2014. That is when it exactly was proven and corroborated and both quantum coherence and quantum vibrations occuring brain microtubules were proven at that time.

Orch OR was harshly criticized from its inception,as the brain was considered too "warm, wet, and noisy" for seemingly delicate quantum processes. However, evidence has now shown warm quantum coherence in plant photosynthesis, bird brain navigation, our sense of smell, and brain microtubules.
 The recent discovery of warm temperature quantum vibrations in microtubules inside brain neurons by the research group led by Anirban Bandyopadhyay, PhD, at the National Institute of Material Sciences in Tsukuba, Japan (and now at MIT), corroborates the pair's theory and suggests that EEG rhythms also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations. In addition, work from the laboratory of Roderick G. Eckenhoff, MD, at the University of Pennsylvania, suggests that anesthesia, which selectively erases  while sparing non-conscious brain activities, acts via microtubules in brain neurons.

https://phys.org/news/2014-01-discovery-...rates.html

https://www.scribd.com/document/31829521...sciousness

https://www.journals.elsevier.com/physic...vibrations

Repeating what didn't prove it the first time doesn't prove it simply because you have repeated it.

It's obvious you're too stupid to understand what they were saying by saying that it was too warm, wet, and noisy. A fact which your repeating shit you don't understand does nothing to correct.

And no, that is not what he claimed. Your claim was that, "no one knew there were quantum vibrations in our brain until 2014." A claim you still haven't substantiated. He disputed that, and you haven't provided any evidence that anybody thought there weren't quantum vibrations in the brain or in the microtubules. The Wikipedia article notes that, "In 2000 Tegmark claimed that any quantum coherent system in the brain would undergo effective wave function collapse due to environmental interaction long before it could influence neural processes (the "warm, wet and noisy" argument, as it was later came to be known)." If the wave function collapses, that implies there was a time the wave function was not collapsed, which means that there were quantum vibrations in the microtubules. What Tegmark was disputing was the length to which such uncollapsed wave functions could exist, not that uncollapsed wave functions occur in the microtubules. So you are simply wrong.

Btw, you do realize that you're quoting the same article three times, right?