(December 9, 2018 at 12:03 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Atheism is undoubtedly a belief, don't delude yourself.

Belief in this case is referring to an ideology / idea.  Atheism is an ideology, ("ism" in 'atheism' means "a distinctive doctrine, theory, system, or practice") hence why you guys are constantly trying to form tactics to try and actively counter theist arguments...

How many "abigfootist" forums have you joined?

But what if you don't join any abigfootoist or atheist forums whatsoever?

If atheism is a belief, then baldness is a hair colour, or abstinence is a sexual position.
A bald person can wear a hat, just as any hirsute person can. Hat wearing doesn't
make baldness a hair colour, or any hair at all, (tautology!!!). A hat is something other
than the hair colour. Bald people can wear many kinds and colours of hat, or no hat
at all.

Atheism can be a belief system, but not necessarily. It can, (on the other hand), also be
nothing more than an absence of a belief, (in any deities).

For the latter, if a person is any kind of thinking non-believer, they will have opinions on
many matters which their lack of belief impinges upon. Why would anyone want to adhere
to other people's dogmas when those dogmas are based on a god-belief, and the original
person is not convinced of the truth or validity of that god-belief.

However, there is no such thing as an atheist dogma or creed, or doctrine, (as one might find
in a religion). The saying goes that getting atheists to agree is often as difficult as herding cat.
We atheist are free to be individuals, to differ, to be wise or to be idiots. But adherence to a
dogma - not really.

I think that the thinking atheists might agree that evidence, logic, rationality and so on are
good things to use in one's evaluations, but why would ANYBODY subscribe to: lack of evidence,
illogical and irrationality? Acknowledging evidence, logic, rationality and so on as highly valuable is
hardly a dogma or a doctrine.

Quote:Wikipedia on -ism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-ism

The suffix "-ism" is neutral and therefore bears no connotations associated with any of the many ideologies it identifies; such determinations can only be informed by public opinion regarding specific ideologies.

Magilla

Huggy - It's hard for me to type your name and not think of diapers.

But let me try to explain the whole theism and atheism thing to you.

Let's pretend theism is believing that you are constantly wearing an invisible, intangible hat upon your head.

I don't believe that I'm constantly wearing an invisible, intangible hat upon my head. <-----This non belief makes me an atheist.

(December 9, 2018 at 9:13 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Huggy - It's hard for me to type your name and not think of diapers.

But let me try to explain the whole theism and atheism thing to you.

Let's pretend theism is believing that you are constantly wearing an invisible, intangible hat upon your head.

I don't believe that I'm constantly wearing an invisible, intangible hat upon my head. <-----This non belief makes me an atheist.

I consider him ineducable, and told him so a few weeks ago. There is little difference between that and trolling intent (IMO), except that without actually admitting to trolling, he won't get banned. People don't get banned for being stupid (like Little Rik, until he admitted/bragged about trolling). More's the pity.

I don't know what you've heard, but AFAIK, Little Rik never copped to trolling.

(December 9, 2018 at 9:46 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I don't know what you've heard, but AFAIK, Little Rik never copped to trolling.

I've never made a mistake in my life!   I could have read it wrong.

   This is the 1st problem with atheism. There’s no agreement on what it actually means. In all the major dictionaries the definition is basically the same. The Scandinavian atheists I’ve spoken to abide by this. Not so the Americans for some reason.


   U can try and reword it into a “non-belief” but it’s the same thing. If u don’t believe in a God then u must believe there are no Gods. This is a fallacious argument, equivocation. Basically redefining a term leading to false conclusion.

   Who can explain the difference between “I don’t believe in God” and “I believe there is no God”. They’re the same. The negative is just swapped around.


   These unicorn type analogies are logical fallacies, faulty analogies. No one is claiming unicorns exist whereas nearly everyone who has walked the earth since documented history has believed in a God. But I can still take that analogy and say “I believe there are no unicorns”. It’s still a belief.


   To the question “Do u believe in a God?” people are saying it’s either yes or no. This is yet another logical fallacy, black and white. There is always a third option, “I don’t know”


   But I’ll go along with it for argument sake. One of my questions was if it’s not a belief then what do we call it? If someone answered that I apologize cos I missed it. Do we call it a claim? I’ll call it a claim. 

   So most atheist hold their claim because the theists cannot prove it. It’s another logical fallacy, appeal to ignorance. “U can’t prove it so it must be false”

   Others simply claim it’s too hard to believe so I won’t believe it. This is logical fallacy, personal incredulity.

   Another popular argument from atheists is to wave the burden of truth to the theists. As far as I know this is not a logical fallacy. However if ur having the discussion with an agnostic like myself then the burden of proof lies on the atheist as he is the one making the assertion that there are no gods.

   There are a lot of fallacious arguments put forward by atheists making their position a weak one at this stage.


   A Scandinavian atheist I was talking to said something like…”I find it funny how atheists in America organize these huge functions to talk about no God. To talk about nothing” And we had a laugh about it. But I saw that video of atheist churches. LoL sorry if I sound rude but that is just so weird. A church without a God. Does that mean atheism is in fact a religion? Sure looks like it to me.


   Someone asked what I meant by Christian values but that deserves another thread later on once iv figured out a few more things. I’ll let this thread die out a bit and I will open a new one on science.

Matey, you're making a few fallacies yourself.

Firstly, you'll find most here are agnostic. We don't have knowledge either way.
Secondly, why call it a claim. We're not claiming anything. We don't have or need a burden of proof for this reason.
Atheism is just saying we don't subscribe to what theists believe.
We don't need to have a counter belief. It's a non stance. Get it?

(December 9, 2018 at 11:03 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Matey, you're making a few fallacies yourself.

Firstly, you'll find most here are agnostic. We don't have knowledge either way.
Secondly, why call it a claim. We're not claiming anything. We don't have or need a burden of proof for this reason.
Atheism is just saying we don't subscribe to what theists believe.
We don't need to have a counter belief. It's a non stance. Get it?

Then how would u like me to refer to it then?
A view? A position? A stance? A belief?
Its up to u. Ur inventing the definition

And please call out any fallacious arguments I made

(December 9, 2018 at 9:34 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(December 9, 2018 at 9:13 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: Huggy - It's hard for me to type your name and not think of diapers.

But let me try to explain the whole theism and atheism thing to you.

Let's pretend theism is believing that you are constantly wearing an invisible, intangible hat upon your head.

I don't believe that I'm constantly wearing an invisible, intangible hat upon my head. <-----This non belief makes me an atheist.

I consider him ineducable, and told him so a few weeks ago. There is little difference between that and trolling intent (IMO), except that without actually admitting to trolling, he won't get banned. People don't get banned for being stupid (like Little Rik, until he admitted/bragged about trolling). More's the pity.

If people were banned for being stupid, y'all would start dropping like flies...

(March 17, 2018 at 8:37 pm)chimp3 Wrote: No mammals lay eggs.

In a nutshell:
Agnosticism is about what you don't know. 
Atheism is about what you don't believe.