I agree that Christianity as a whole has schismed worse over time, and probably will continue to without serious introspection and revamping. A great deal of systematic uncertainty over time produces a large precision problem in the areas of philosophies.

So let's discuss now. It's not fantasy land that people with DID are recognized as being multiple people in the same body that often work in concert. Is it that far of a leap that Christ was 100% man and functioning in concert with His Spiritual self that was 100% God?

I actually think that it;s the instrospection and revamping that powerfully contributes to schism.  The trouble is that christianity is and has always been plainly false.  

So...ofc intelligent people want to improve it, but they can't. It's un-improvable.

Look at you, right up there, asking me if the reality of DID makes demi-gods less of a leap.......................I'm 100% murderous and crazy...and human, in both of my incarnations. I'm fine* now, btw. It was a product of severe trauma to the brain a decade ago. What a useless wedge to grasp at for leverage...lol. I was standing on some explosives when they went off...is that what happened to Christ™?

Fact time. The reason that you believe this....is that two cults who could not survive against each other or without combining together, decided to call it a draw. Even if it were true, which it isn't...that's still why you believe that......

(save yourself the trouble, in future, because I'm willing to go deep down a shitty rabbit hole with regards to myself and who I am and nothing about any of it will ever give you the required leverage to lie for christ)

(March 10, 2019 at 12:27 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(March 9, 2019 at 2:25 am)Godscreated Wrote: How can you apply basic biology to the spiritual world in which many things we call miracles happen. We call them miracles because we do not understand them, when the impossible seems to happen we are dumb founded by the incident and when the impossible happens, ie. to our knowledge, it can only come from One who can cause the impossible to happen because He has control of all things. 

GC

That is just a colossal argument from ignorance. You can't figure it out, therefore nobody else can possibly figure it out and nobody ever will in the future figure it out. Therefore god did it.

Even you must see how utterly vacuous that is.

  What I see is someone crying about things he doesn't understand so he parrots what others have said for many generations. Doctors have been completely confounded by instant healing of people who they have said would die from there condition. They have said they have no idea short of a miracle as to what happened.

GC

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(March 10, 2019 at 8:37 pm)Magilla Wrote:

(March 9, 2019 at 2:25 am)Godscreated Wrote: How can you apply basic biology to the spiritual world in which many things we call miracles happen. We call them miracles because we do not understand them, when the impossible seems to happen we are dumb founded by the incident and when the impossible happens, ie. to our knowledge, it can only come from One who can cause the impossible to happen because He has control of all things. 

GC

Surely if something is impossible, then it cannot possibly be or occur? If there does happen to be "One" who can cause it, then it is possible.

 Only by Him and no one else. Jesus raised Lazarus's decomposing body from the grave, name me anyone outside of God who could do this. As the scriptures say, "all things are possible with God." Like I stated in the post we are dealing in the spiritual realm when it comes to God.

GC

Do you really want a list of every fictional character whose ever raised another fictional character from the dead....?

(March 11, 2019 at 1:28 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(March 10, 2019 at 12:27 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: That is just a colossal argument from ignorance. You can't figure it out, therefore nobody else can possibly figure it out and nobody ever will in the future figure it out. Therefore god did it.

Even you must see how utterly vacuous that is.

  What I see is someone crying about things he doesn't understand so he parrots what others have said for many generations. Doctors have been completely confounded by instant healing of people who they have said would die from there condition. They have said they have no idea short of a miracle as to what happened.

GC

I have heard of spontaneous remission**, but have never  of a case of an instant healing. Of course you can prove that claim?.

What doctors have allegedly said in such cases is opinion based on speculation, not proof.

Uumm, exactly how many recorded cases of amputees regrowing limbs? (in round figures will be fine)

Spontaneous remission occurs 1:30,000  cases. A lot more than putative miracles. ,


PS it's 'their"

tackattack: " He didn't survive, He died. The question was does He decompose, to which I answered probably not, but His body is gone so idk really. Incorruptibility is an unexplained phenomenon still. "


Right! You don't know, really. Should have stopped there.

If he existed and died and his body was left untouched, then his body decomposed. If the claims about him are true then the question is basically pointless.

(March 10, 2019 at 11:46 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

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I actually think that it;s the instrospection and revamping that powerfully contributes to schism.  The trouble is that christianity is and has always been plainly false.  

So...ofc intelligent people want to improve it, but they can't.  It's un-improvable.  

Look at you, right up there, asking me if the reality of DID makes demi-gods less of a leap.......................I'm 100% murderous and crazy...and human, in both of my incarnations.  I'm fine* now, btw.  It was a product of severe trauma to the brain a decade ago.  What a useless wedge to grasp at for leverage...lol.  I was standing on some explosives when they went off...is that what happened to Christ™?

Fact time.  The reason that you believe this....is that two cults who could not survive against each other or without combining together, decided to call it a draw.  Even if it were true, which it isn't...that's still why you believe that......

(save yourself the trouble, in future, because I'm willing to go deep down a shitty rabbit hole with regards to myself and who I am and nothing about any of it will ever give you the required leverage to lie for christ)

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I'm glad you're fine now, btw. I wasn't aware you suffered from DID and wasn't referencing a specific person at all. I apologize if you took that as an attack on you and anything you've gone through. I would never use someone's personal hardships as leverage or lie for anyone, especially Christ. I was simply illustrating that physiological differences in DID personality's hosts show that 2 distinct entities can exist in what we perceive as one "host". Which was only to illustrate that being 100% man and 100% God are not mutually exclusive as a concept because a very real modern concept that is similar exists.

As to schisms, introspection does cause fracturing typically, but we wouldn't want to be seen as blinding following a doctrine. We can't work on improvement without introspection and we can't be divisive, but we can't follow blindly forever and be unified. Guess it's the rock and the hard place.

Or there could be a group of believers that appreciate and respect difference as a necessary part of God's plan and have unity services regularly with other denominations to rally their people around the concept of knowing what you believe and why, and appreciating someone's differing perspective and focusing on the common ground you share and getting on with serving the community instead of bickering over differences.

Fact time. I didn't grow up Catholic so the apostle's creed, Nicene creed weren't really taught. In fact very little, if any denominational or ecumenical creeds ever played into my formative learning. Definitely not the earlier creeds of the Didache, Synod of Antioch, Apostolic constitutions, etc. Neither were Judaic formative beliefs included, or other denominations belief differences. Most of the formative training I went through was "He's got the whole world, in His hands", verse memorization and a few skits and Bible stories. I believe in the concept of 100% God/100% man, because I've researched the arguments from both sides and been persuaded that it is true because it seems the most supported, doesn't exceed viability and fits neatly with my understanding of the operation and character of Christ and God.

(March 11, 2019 at 9:17 am)tackattack Wrote: I'm glad you're fine now, btw. I wasn't aware you suffered from DID and wasn't referencing a specific person at all. I apologize if you took that as an attack on you and anything you've gone through. I would never use someone's personal hardships as leverage or lie for anyone, especially Christ. I was simply illustrating that physiological differences in DID personality's hosts show that 2 distinct entities can exist in what we perceive as one "host". Which was only to illustrate that being 100% man and 100% God are not mutually exclusive as a concept because a very real modern concept that is similar exists.

The two things remain completely dissimilar, with the one offering no insight on the other.  

Quote:As to schisms, introspection does cause fracturing typically, but we wouldn't want to be seen as blinding following a doctrine. We can't work on improvement without introspection and we can't be divisive, but we can't follow blindly forever and be unified. Guess it's the rock and the hard place.

Or there could be a group of believers that appreciate and respect difference as a necessary part of God's plan and have unity services regularly with other denominations to rally their people around the concept of knowing what you believe and why, and appreciating someone's differing perspective and focusing on the common ground you share and getting on with serving the community instead of bickering over differences.

Fact time. I didn't grow up Catholic so the apostle's creed, Nicene creed weren't really taught. In fact very little, if any denominational or ecumenical creeds ever played into my formative learning. Definitely not the earlier creeds of the Didache, Synod of Antioch, Apostolic constitutions, etc. Neither were Judaic formative beliefs included, or other denominations belief differences. Most of the formative training I went through was "He's got the whole world, in His hands", verse memorization and a few skits and Bible stories. I believe in the concept of 100% God/100% man, because I've researched the arguments from both sides and been persuaded that it is true because it seems the most supported, doesn't exceed viability and fits neatly with my understanding of the operation and character of Christ and God.

You not growing up catholic doesn't have any effect on the historical facts of christian development.  The reason that it seems "most supported", to you..today, is directly and only because of these political negotiations in the past. It could have gone another way, and the propaganda mill would have come up with "support" for whatever version of christianity that would have been, and here you would be making the same statements about that other thing. We're talking about a body of faith that both manufactured and rewrote history in their favor more than a few times and over centuries.

Your idea of a body of believers who think that difference is a necessary part of gods plan, for example, was manufactured in living memory..and, as ever, explicitly toward the end of political gain. Just a single generation ago there weren;t "christians" - there were catholics and baptists and methodists and presbys. That diluted the power of faith at the ballot box and there was a sense that the levers of authority were slipping away from them on account of their traditional infighting.

True, that could be entirely possible if history were rewritten. I'll grant that my bias towards the doctrine relies partly on the political agendas of arguing parties from the past.

The two things aren't dissimilar. Both are entities inhabiting a form. The form is shared. It's that simple. They do inform each other with insights though, if you don't feel that they could or don't believe they do. could you be more specific. I'll have a chance to get back to your point after work.