People get depressed and fed up with this temp life. But you talk about endless kneeling before some Dude. Why?

Some people enjoy being on their knees in a receiving position.  Not judging..just noting.

(March 20, 2019 at 3:49 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Obv. troll is obv.

His avatar is really creepy too. 

Please provide some testable evidence for a god

(March 20, 2019 at 3:01 pm)Catharsis Wrote:

(March 20, 2019 at 2:50 pm)robvalue Wrote: I always will what? Be yet to be convinced? Indeed I will if no one even tries anymore.

You will always be yet to be convinced.

This, at least, seems likely to be true.

I think more unfinished threads is the answer.

RAmen

(March 20, 2019 at 2:19 pm)Catharsis Wrote: The point of believing is not being convinced the creator exists.

Believing, if I may say what I think, is doing what the creator finds meaningful.

I think this is an important point. I suspect that in history, this is what most people have meant by "belief," in a religious context. 

Maybe I mentioned earlier that "belief" can be assent to a proposition ("I believe the world is round") or commitment to a value ("I believe in equal rights for women"). This is a bit too simple, but I think relevant to religion. 

It's interesting to go through the New Testament, and everywhere that Jesus or Paul says "belief," read it to mean "commit your life to." And everywhere they say "Kingdom of God," read that to mean "what our world would be like if we cared about each other." 

Some verses support this reading more than others, but I suspect that at first Christians had something much like this in mind. Narrowing the meaning of the word "belief" to just "I hold it to be a fact" probably comes from our modern view that every text is supposed to be read like a science book.

(March 20, 2019 at 2:37 pm)Catharsis Wrote:

(March 20, 2019 at 2:28 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: We've all got mothers and fathers..after all...we don't agree with every silly thing they say on simple account of them giving birth to us.

Catharsis...you entire strategy for fishing souls is fundamentally garbage, lol.  Even -you- wouldn't bow down on account of it.

Logic and sound reason indicate a creator.

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Oh dear, the watchmaker argument.  Look it up.

Why snicker,, it's not as if you've actually made your point. 

 A fact can imply (suggest) a great many things.  It may correctly be called 'evidence'. However, that is not the same as an inference (conclusion)

I think you need to distinguish  between evidence and proof.

Evidence is anything whatsoever presented in support of an argument or position. eg  Logical argument, all sacred writings, commentaries. written accounts of say miracles, and personal testimony ,are ALL evidence of say the existence of God. What they are not, is proof.

Formal logic does not make truth statements. ALL logical propositions have the caveat' IF A---then--------

The premise is always accepted for the sake of argument. The inference  ( conclusion) from that  premise is true IF AND ONLY IF the original premise is  true.

Quote:It's interesting to go through the New Testament, and everywhere that Jesus or Paul says "belief," read it to mean "commit your life to." And everywhere they say "Kingdom of God," read that to mean "what our world would be like if we cared about each other." 

Yes, there's a long and noble tradition of people reading things into the Bible that simply aren't there.

Boru

As an ex-Catholic I blame hippies.

The Jews have been blamed for enough.

If it wasn'y for a hippie dude named Yeshua, there wouldn't be Christians or Muslims.

Sandal wearing prick!