(March 26, 2019 at 10:40 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 10:24 am)Drich Wrote: You are right muller is no dummy.. the only real question is did it really take 2 years to find out there was no russian conclusion on trump's side? I think this whole trump investigation was a move by the state department to investigate not trump but the deep state. the russian source the dossie came from, and who/clinton paid for it that originally secured the fisa warrant and how the abuse of power pushed this investigation from the beginning. I think it took 2 years to identify the members of the deep state/swamp and come election time Trump will use this info to nuder the democratic party.

What you "dims" fail to see is that investigation like this cuts both ways. there are no restrictions and I think you guys just gutted yourselves and don't even know it!

Holy crap man, this isn't SVU on TV where the crime is solved in an hour. Even with crimes not involving the famous, investigations take time. And our intel takes its time to insure that any thing they bring to a court is going to be more likely to stick and that they do have the right person.

FYI the "no collusion" is only one SUBJECT in that report, thus "not fully exonerated" was also put in.

This can be issues of ethics, emoluments, and corruption to the point that his behavior, even if not illegal, can be dangerous to the point of allowing an enemy to create a blackmail situation and compromise the office. 

He did pay off porn stars. He did attempt to build a hotel in Russia. His organizers are also being investigated for inauguration illegal foreign contributions. He is still to this day allowing foreign businesses to stay at his hotel. That to me is not full divestment no matter what the fucker claims.

But regardless, I really am warning you to pull your head out of the sand. His repeated behavior for years, of daily attacking multiple groups, ignoring and attacking his own intel, and the free press, in that seat of power, is dangerous. You really do not understand, this behavior alone, sets a very dangerous tone and long term, it can cause the collapse of our free society.

I am NOT saying this for political reasons one bit. When you hold that office, your job isn't to divide and vilify, your job is to protect our institutions, not attack them. We know from prior history what happens when power uses fear and scapegoating in a political office. 

He is NOT politics as normal. He is setting a very dangerous tone by consistently attacking our institutions.

I love that he is in office, and will do my part to see him in there another 4 years. Why? because I do not want to live in a socialist country. Obama nearly bankrupted us with taxes and over burdensome regulations. Not to mention the prospect of a federal minimum wage that would have us fire/lay off 1/2 our work force and reduce salaries to meet a 15 dollar an hour requirement. Not only that, I love the fact the narrative has changed.. and you all pretend you knew there was no collusion and now it is or always ways about everything else.

When will you all tire of being so wrong all of the time. 

Think about it how many times the liberal media has failed you think about all the wrong polls tht out and out lied for over a year making you think trump did not have a chance, thik about all the false and fake new allogations thing of everything they have told you and where wrong about.. so much so most of you do not know there is a direct 1:1 ration between a media charge against trump and it factually not being true. now add russian collusion.

At least no russian collusion on the republican side. That dossie is proof of russian collusion and when the report is fully released you will find out all the old guard in the democratic party where the colluders.

This is what american greatness looks like now, I suppose, lol.

I sometims wonder if we, as a country, have fully come to grips with the fact that the MAGAts aren't confused, they aren't being mislead. This is what they wanted. This is their vision of america. Trump didn't sell them on the idea, he had the key to the funhouse, and they wanted in.

(March 26, 2019 at 1:57 pm)Drich Wrote:
I love that he is in office, and will do my part to see him in there another 4 years. Why? because I do not want to live in a socialist country. Obama nearly bankrupted us with taxes and over burdensome regulations. Not to mention the prospect of a federal minimum wage that would have us fire/lay off 1/2 our work force and reduce salaries to meet a 15 dollar an hour requirement. 

Oh, so your business is a big recipient of corporate welfare, then? If your employees have children, and you are paying wages that are low, then the earnings of your employees are being subsidized by the government. You're totally against socialism except for when the government is subsidizing the lousy wages that you pay to your employees. Personally, I would rather that businesses pay a decent wage rather than having the government subsidize low wage paying employers.

The Earned Income Tax Credit is the nations largest welfare program, and it is essentially a bribe that is paid to people with children to work for low wage employers such as you, Drich. The government is paying people to work for you.

(March 26, 2019 at 10:35 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: -and there we have it.  

Nutters imagine things in the barr report, intentionally crafted to be very friendly towards the admins next steps, that aren't actually there.

Nutters imagine that the investigation into the trump campaign was cover for a covert investigation of DEEP STATE!!!

Nutters imagine that Hillarydidit.

And then nutters declare and impending flawless victory for Dear Leader.  "Q" was right all along!

What about true nutters where shocked when the muller report exonerated trump 

What about true nutters can't even except the use of this word, despite the president being freed from any further investigation!!

what about true nutters ignoring what lindsey graham is bringing to the forefront..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo2OtW8PI78

In truth sport this whole investigation was spawn from a single dossier supposed by christopher steele but funded and written by fusion GPS a clinton foundation holding.

Or so say the "nutters" at the New York times!

maybe you should put you head back in the sand, and let the adults run the country for a while.. we tried it your way, with boys who wear dresses allowed in the girls bathroom and riots and police murders every other day, with the sky is falling let create a new tax to save us.. let's try jobs for every one, money in people's pockets and not from some government mandate but from real and hard work, along with some common sense and less pC'ness. let's try less government regulation and let people stand or fall on their own merrit, let see if we are better off than when we started.

It's not a particularly efficient application of welfare, either.  We know that the families who get it would benefit more, and in a more appropriate frame of time, if we just handed them money.  

Or, ofc, people could just get paid for their work, you know.

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(March 26, 2019 at 2:19 pm)Drich Wrote: What about true nutters where shocked when the muller report exonerated trump 

The mueller report that no one's seen? You must mean the barr letter, for which barr auditioned and was hired, that doesn't actually "exonerate trump" of anything?

I was reading some article somewhere, can't remember where..in which a conservative pundit asked the question "now how will they fuck it up" in response to the letter. Seems we have our answer. Didn't take long to get it. Reverse midas touch strikes again, lol.

The rest of that shit was just dumb..even dumber than the opening remark. Hurr durr you don't like boys in dresses, good for you? Everyone's lazy and the Others are lawless rioters...oh, and agw is a hoax...because ofc it is. Apparently this is all "my way" because you're fighting some mythical enemy that exists in your own mind.

The only thing you know for sure, is that trump is the second coming of christ, fully exonerated of all of his crimes committed in plain sight... and that you shouldn't have to work hard and bootstrap yourself up so that you can afford employees and stop being a shiftless taker. That would be unamerican, lol.

(March 26, 2019 at 2:19 pm)Drich Wrote: What about true nutters where shocked when the muller report exonerated trump 

You do realise that the report says that it does NOT exonerate Trump. It specifically says that.

Quote:Attorney General Barr’s letter raises as many questions as it answers. The fact that Special Counsel Mueller’s report does not exonerate the president on a charge as serious as obstruction of justice demonstrates how urgent it is that the full report and underlying documentation be made public without any further delay. Given Mr. Barr’s public record of bias against the Special Counsel’s inquiry, he is not a neutral observer and is not in a position to make objective determinations about the report,' Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer and Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in a joint statement.
'And most obviously, for the president to say he is completely exonerated directly contradicts the words of Mr. Mueller and is not to be taken with any degree of credibility,' the two leaders added.
Mueller's conclusions were announced by Barr in a letter to the House and Senate Judiciary chairmen and ranking members on Sunday.

Ah, but you live in mere reality.  Our boy Drich got the keys to the funhouse he preferred to live in back in 2016.

(March 26, 2019 at 2:19 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 10:35 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: -and there we have it.  

Nutters imagine things in the barr report, intentionally crafted to be very friendly towards the admins next steps, that aren't actually there.

Nutters imagine that the investigation into the trump campaign was cover for a covert investigation of DEEP STATE!!!

Nutters imagine that Hillarydidit.

And then nutters declare and impending flawless victory for Dear Leader.  "Q" was right all along!

What about true nutters where shocked when the muller report exonerated trump 

What about true nutters can't even except the use of this word, despite the president being freed from any further investigation!!

what about true nutters ignoring what lindsey graham is bringing to the forefront..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo2OtW8PI78

In truth sport this whole investigation was spawn from a single dossier supposed by christopher steele but funded and written by fusion GPS a clinton foundation holding.

Or so say the "nutters" at the New York times!

maybe you should put you head back in the sand, and let the adults run the country for a while.. we tried it your way, with boys who wear dresses allowed in the girls bathroom and riots and police murders every other day, with the sky is falling let create a new tax to save us.. let's try jobs for every one, money in people's pockets and not from some government mandate but from real and hard work, along with some common sense and less pC'ness. let's try less government regulation and let people stand or fall on their own merrit, let see if we are better off than when we started.

God you are blind as a bat!

WHY would Mueller put in the words "not exonerated"? 

Typical delusional tripe on your part. Just like when we point out that the fantastic claims of the bible didn't happen as implied, you try to blame us for what we did not write. MUELLER A REPUBLICAN, singed off on the words "not exonerated". 

Again, there was more than one subject the full probe was looking at. Mueller was punting this to congress and the states. He was not and did not say Trump was 100% Mr Rogers. 

Just like the earth was not made in 6 days. You do not get to blame us for what Mueller signed off on.

Mueller did what happens in even non famous cases. Police and even DA's often abstain from indictments in order for more evidence to come in at a later date to insure what is brought to a court/jury is something less likely to get overturned on appeal. THUS "not exonerated" was in the summery.

(March 26, 2019 at 2:23 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: It's not a particularly efficient application of welfare, either.  We know that the families who get it would benefit more, and in a more appropriate frame of time, if we just handed them money.  

Or, ofc, people could just get paid for their work, you know.

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Yep, it's a horrible system of welfare. It completely destroys the concept of equal pay for equal work. There is a strong case to be made that it has held wages down since people with dependents are willing to work for less so that they will qualify for the EITC. The minimum wage hasn't been raised for about 10 years, and when raising the minimum wage is discussed, many argue for increasing the EITC instead. So an employee without dependents who earns minimum wage has had their income shrink over ten years of inflation, while those with dependents have received raises from the EITC. The system gives people with no dependents plenty of incentive to drop out of the workforce since they aren't being paid fairly, and it doesn't give employers an incentive to raise wages since those with dependents will desperately keep working so that they will qualify for their welfare check. It has caused animosity between low wage employees who receive the EITC and those who don't, since the one who doesn't is robbed to pay the one who does. 

Even worse, the recipient of the welfare check really does not understand that the EITC is a welfare check. They actually believe that it is earned, which really inflates their sense of entitlement. And that leads their confused asses to be outraged by the idea of anyone receiving welfare while being welfare recipients themselves. And just as entitled are the welfare recipients such as Drich, who actually believes that he is not a recipient of welfare when the wages that he pays are subsidized by the government.

When we give welfare to people who don't work or can't work, that social safety net increases the bargaining position of low wage earners. It gives employees the option of refusing to work for wages that or too low or for employers who are too abusive. But when we make working for the low wage employers a prerequisite for qualifying for a welfare check, we deprive the poorest workers of any bargaining capacity. They have to work for the low wage and that abusive employer to get the welfare. So it is a system that rewards low wage and abusive employers very nicely.

(March 26, 2019 at 2:16 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(March 26, 2019 at 1:57 pm)Drich Wrote:
I love that he is in office, and will do my part to see him in there another 4 years. Why? because I do not want to live in a socialist country. Obama nearly bankrupted us with taxes and over burdensome regulations. Not to mention the prospect of a federal minimum wage that would have us fire/lay off 1/2 our work force and reduce salaries to meet a 15 dollar an hour requirement. 

Oh, so your business is a big recipient of corporate welfare, then? If your employees have children, and you are paying wages that are low, then the earnings of your employees are being subsidized by the government. You're totally against socialism except for when the government is subsidizing the lousy wages that you pay to your employees. Personally, I would rather that businesses pay a decent wage rather than having the government subsidize low wage paying employers.

The Earned Income Tax Credit is the nations largest welfare program, and it is essentially a bribe that is paid to people with children to work for low wage employers such as you, Drich. The government is paying people to work for you.

I pay people according to what they do/what they make for the company, not because they are entitled to make a living wage just for showing up. Some make twice what I bring home in a year. others if I could charge the to work here I would. (I am a working teaching facility, come here no tools no skills 2 years later you have a skill valued anywhere on the planet.)

 If you want to pay people "a decent wage" then hows about you get off your ass and start your own business, work for free for 10 years get to where you are breaking even and then tell me about what a "decent wage is."

What kind of POS assumes all people who work at a given privately owned company make the same money? what or why would you foolish assume the pay rate would not be merit based? That the more the company makes the more the employees make?

We start at minimum wage to be taught a skill. meaning it generally takes two full years to learn this specific trade which is an amalgamation of several trades including but not limited to plumbing, auto mechanic diesel mechanic DC electrician and mirco circutry diagnositic specialist along with high voltage electrician, refrigeration tech and service tech. Besides myself I have one guy who has been with me more than 5 years and has almost master all of these skills. he is my highest earner. his salary is twice what mine is. He literally lives in a house a story taller and 1000 square feet bigger. he came to me frsh out of jail with not a dollar to ride the bus to get to work with. He has worked himself up from min wage to 35% of our labor billings (which if you knew the business you would know that is the house take in labor.. meaning out of what we charge in labor 35% is the total profit. If yu had your own business set up legitly like our is, you could not make more money.. So again.. tell me what is fare.

Next I have another employee who has 15 kids and 4 baby mamas.. he is going to be apart of the well fare state if he made 150K a year.

Oh I almost forgot.. All of my high earners (over 100K) are all convicted time served/probation felons. ( and I do not get s dime from the state to provide them with jobs.) How many second chancers do you employ old sport? zero you say? I higher men and fire them based on ability and willingness to work subsequently this is also how they get paid.  

So who is left? the people who are getting started with me new hires r office people who don't actually generate any funds for the company. And sales/ commission people. their pay is directly connected to what they sell. Some commission types make good money others break even. again what people are paid is based on what they do. Not to mention I hired the old man who in 1993 taught me the ropes in my first refrigeration job. He is now 85 and sits in a chair and chatts up the guys who do the real work when he feels like coming in. I pay his gas and min wage for coming in when he wants too.

(Guess who is the FIRST that gets the axe when labor rates go up to 15 dollars per hour. (The shop doe not really need a lunch getter and story teller) Not to mention we give him his slary when he doesn't feel like comming in. oh, and he is on warefare and SS.

If they can't afford to live off what they make here I tell them to find another job, double down here learn another skill or buy tools/invest in themselves. My job is not to support you or your family, I am here as a simple opportunity, what you do with said opportunity is on you completely. If you want to be a lead tech and earn over 100k good! I need more of those guys, however if you want to be the guy who runs parts and sweeps up after the 100k a year guy I need guys like that too, but at the same time know you will not be paid the same!

That's what kills me.. new guys coming in wanting more money I tell them a dollar more an hour if they buy a basic set of tools and another dollar more if they get their basic EPA certification (608) 2 dollar raise off the bat for things I was required to have before I could even get a job! Not one of them has taken me up on this offer!

I say F the 15 min wage as people are not always worth 15 dollars per hour. How can the federal government tell me I am required to pay someone 15 dollars an hour with no other skill than having a pulse. I know I a not the only one who will be made to cut back. that is where the money comes from sport or did you not know? There is no big piggy bank that business owners have. if people have been in business over that 10 year mark it is because they invest everything into it! So when a something like pay role doubles, the only way to meet it is to cut expenses and if the expense is in payroll itself then that's where the cuts must be confined lest the business hemorrhage out. Meaning jobs are cut and salaries/bonuses cut till new payroll burden is met.

So again let the adults run things for a while as you bleeding heart are killing the geese that lays the golden eggs you guys think it is the government's job to collect. why not let the goose have a few of those eggs once and a while (they created them they better than the government knows what to do with them) and before you know it you will be up to your neck in golden eggs. or keep trying and one day you will kill the goose, so you can have all your eggs up front and see where that gets you!

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(March 26, 2019 at 2:23 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: It's not a particularly efficient application of welfare, either.  We know that the families who get it would benefit more, and in a more appropriate frame of time, if we just handed them money.  

Or, ofc, people could just get paid for their work, you know.

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(March 26, 2019 at 2:19 pm)Drich Wrote: What about true nutters where shocked when the muller report exonerated trump 

The mueller report that no one's seen? You must mean the barr letter, for which barr auditioned and was hired, that doesn't actually "exonerate trump" of anything?

I was reading some article somewhere, can't remember where..in which a conservative pundit asked the question "now how will they fuck it up" in response to the letter.  Seems we have our answer.  Didn't take long to get it.  Reverse midas touch strikes again, lol.

The rest of that shit was just dumb..even dumber than the opening remark.  Hurr durr you don't like boys in dresses, good for you?  Everyone's lazy and the Others are lawless rioters...oh, and agw is a hoax...because ofc it is.   Apparently this is all "my way" because you're fighting some mythical enemy that exists in your own mind.

The only thing you know for sure, is that trump is the second coming of christ, fully exonerated of all of his crimes committed in plain sight... and that you shouldn't have to work hard and bootstrap yourself up so that you can afford employees and stop being a shiftless taker.  That would be unamerican, lol.

what I know for sure is life is better now when the deep state is not puppeting our president around like a novity on a string.