(April 5, 2019 at 11:39 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(April 5, 2019 at 10:50 am)Acrobat Wrote: You're living in a bygone era dude. Christian Fundamentalism as a political force, died with the election of Trump. It's non-religious, secular right wing influences that seem to be on the rise everywhere. That and folks on the far left, and the politics of resentment that fuels them.

Pretty much all the prominent atheist figures have abandoned the fight against religion, and more obsessed about the culture wars, feminism, pc culture, etc...

You need to get with the times.

I'm in the 'times' when Right Wing Christian Fundamentalists are at their peak of power, and getting harmful legislation passed at an unprecedented rate. You seem to already be dwelling in a future where that's no longer the case. I live in South Carolina, dwelling in the future isn't a realistic option for me.

There's only two religious political issues that are even remotely connected to Fundie Christianity, and that's abortion, and gay marriage. Opposing gay marriage has been losing battle, and at this point they've just hold it as immoral, and don't want to forced to bake cakes for gay people, or be able to hold the views that it's immoral, without being penalized for it.

The other is abortion. And that's been consistently in conflict, and as divided as it always been. Different people disagree on when people should be able to have abortions, whether it's only in extreme situations, only up to a certain trimester, etc... some people on the far left think you should be able to choose to have an abortion at any stage even lates stages of the pregnancy for whatever reason you choose. So it's not surprising this issue always going to be in contention.

None of these are hardly any real threat to society. We only do anything about it, every 4 years, when we come into vote. ,

(April 5, 2019 at 11:35 am)Acrobat Wrote: There's no evidence that supposed method you refer to, actually compensates for the cognitive biases here.

He says, typing on his computer to communicate over the internet....

(April 5, 2019 at 11:48 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(April 5, 2019 at 11:35 am)Acrobat Wrote: There's no evidence that supposed method you refer to, actually compensates for the cognitive biases here.

He says, typing on his computer to communicate over the internet....

What does my computer have to do with compensating for cognitive biases?

(April 3, 2019 at 11:35 pm)Belaqua Wrote: As an adult, the knowledge that I don't know what's true, that I'm still thinking about it, that -- in the strict sense of having no belief -- I don't believe. 

(April 5, 2019 at 9:56 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(April 3, 2019 at 6:16 pm)Belaqua Wrote: The Pure Lackists deny this, say they are atheists for no reason at all, and in some cases claim that their minds are the same as when they were infants.

Would you name someone here that you think would agree with that characterization of themselves, please?

I can name one......that lackist right up there, talking about his lackism, lol.

(April 5, 2019 at 11:39 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(April 5, 2019 at 10:50 am)Acrobat Wrote: I'm not reluctant to say why I'm convinced of theism, and if I expressed a variety of reasons for that. I'm just not inclined to try and convince strangers on the internet to believe as I do, because that's a fools errand.

Would you elaborate please, on the difference between 'reluctant' and 'not inclined'?

Looking up the meanings of the two terms, they seem to be pretty similar.

You accused me of "remaining very reluctant to actually present what it is you find so convincing about it."

Which is false. I have no problem saying or indicating why I find theism so convincing. I've indicated a variety of reason why I find it convincing.

What I said is I was reluctant or not inclined to do, was try and convince strangers on the internet of it, because it's a fools errand.

It's the difference between asking you, why do you believe x, and asking you to convince me to believe in X.

(April 5, 2019 at 11:58 am)Acrobat Wrote: Which is false. I have no problem saying or indicating why I find theism so convincing. I've indicated a variety of reason why I find it convincing.

Those would be....what?

@Acrobat

I diverge from most of my atheist counterparts in terms of the question “do you wish there was a god”. I do wish there was a god, and atheism is not my preferred position. So, if you have a good reason to believe in god, I’d most certainly like to hear it.

(April 5, 2019 at 11:51 am)Acrobat Wrote:

(April 5, 2019 at 11:48 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: He says, typing on his computer to communicate over the internet....

What does my computer have to do with compensating for cognitive biases?

For one thing, despite all of our cognitive biases, we've managed to make them work, using some method or other.

(April 5, 2019 at 11:38 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: I accept that you view morality through the lens of what you find aesthetically pleasing.  I specifically laid out both that and how I'm human just like you and that subjectivity is just as much a part of who I am as it is who you are. 

I just don’t elevate that to the status of my moral framework.

That’s because you’re delusiona, and try to imagine yourself as something other than the biological creature you are, as a man living outside his body. You lack the basic self awareness needed to recognize the nonsense even from purely atheistic perspective regarding your moral views.

Quote: My moral proactive behavior is very much connected to my moral reasoning.

No it isn’t. A variety of studies have shown that there’s no real relationship between these two have been found. That what you call moral reasoning, is primarily a justification after the fact. The reason why you and I jumped in front of bullet for our wives, gf, children, mother, etc… isn’t because you relied on your unique moral reasoning to compel you to do it, and I instead did so because I was compelled by love. But rather we did so based on similar underlying motivations.


“It has been hard to find any correlation between moral reasoning and proactive moral behavior, such as helping other people. In fact, in most recent studies, none has been found…As one might predict based on what we have learned so far, moral behavior, as evidenced by helping others, is more correlated with emotion and self- control.”

“The proposal is that a stimulus induces an automatic process of approval (approach) or disapproval (avoid), which may lead to a full-on emotional state. The emotional state produces a moral intuition that may motivate an individual to action. Reasoning about the judgment or action comes afterward, as the brain seeks a rational explanation for an automatic re- action it has no clue about. This includes moral judgments, which are not often the result of actual moral reasoning.” - Michael Gazzaniga

Quote:It's highly unlikely that you and I have uniformly equivalent aesthetic tastes, but if you want to agree with me that the good can be ugly, then so be it it?  

When it comes to morality, particularly core morality, it is highly likely. It been shown that our brains react quite similarly to variety of moral scenarios across cultures, and societies.

(April 5, 2019 at 11:58 am)Acrobat Wrote:

(April 5, 2019 at 11:39 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Would you elaborate please, on the difference between 'reluctant' and 'not inclined'?

Looking up the meanings of the two terms, they seem to be pretty similar.

You accused me of "remaining very reluctant to actually present what it is you find so convincing about it."

Which is false. I have no problem saying or indicating why I find theism so convincing. I've indicated a variety of reason why I find it convincing.

What I said is I was reluctant or not inclined to do, was try and convince strangers on the internet of it, because it's a fools errand.

It's the difference between asking you, why do you believe x, and asking you to convince me to believe in X.

What you said is that you are not reluctant to do so (and claimed to have done so, you can just link to a time when you did that if you are inclined to do so), in the next you said you are not inclined to do so.