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RE: [Quranic Reflection] Animals are communities like us
May 8, 2019 at 5:16 am
While pigs are smarter than people think, that;s not the reason that your magic book prohibited their consumption. The explanation for that is source mimicry.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection] Animals are communities like us
May 8, 2019 at 5:24 am
People, are animals too.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection] Animals are communities like us
May 8, 2019 at 5:31 am
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(May 8, 2019 at 5:16 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: While pigs are smarter than people think, that;s not the reason that your magic book prohibited their consumption. The explanation for that is source mimicry.
Yes you have point regarding the prohibition of swine, there is a verse that I totally forgot about when I mentioned pigs:
Quote:Sura 6, The Quran:
Sahih International
(145) Say, "I do not find within that which was revealed to me [anything] forbidden to one who would eat it unless it be a dead animal or blood spilled out or the flesh of swine - for indeed, it is impure - or it be [that slaughtered in] disobedience, dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], then indeed, your Lord is Forgiving and Merciful."
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RE: [Quranic Reflection] Animals are communities like us
May 8, 2019 at 5:37 am
Humans are animals. Therefore, it's no surprise that there's a comparison.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection] Animals are communities like us
May 8, 2019 at 6:20 am
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(May 8, 2019 at 5:31 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: (May 8, 2019 at 5:16 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: While pigs are smarter than people think, that;s not the reason that your magic book prohibited their consumption. The explanation for that is source mimicry.
Yes you have point regarding the prohibition of swine, there is a verse that I totally forgot about when I mentioned pigs:
Quote:Sura 6, The Quran:
Sahih International
(145) Say, "I do not find within that which was revealed to me [anything] forbidden to one who would eat it unless it be a dead animal or blood spilled out or the flesh of swine - for indeed, it is impure - or it be [that slaughtered in] disobedience, dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], then indeed, your Lord is Forgiving and Merciful."
Adding more to my comment: the reason pig flesh is impure, is the same reason human flesh is impure too; notice that according to Islamic law human flesh is as impure as swine; human flesh is even more impure: it's wrong to kill a creature with such a level of consciousness either human or animal.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection] Animals are communities like us
May 8, 2019 at 6:38 am
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Magic book doesn't appear to rate things by "consciousness". There are prohibitions against swine and human beings, but there are plenty of animals between people and pigs if we're making some "higher consciousness" scale....and they're all on the menu.
It's telling you "look, a pig, don't eat it!" - not laying out some treatise on the rank of animalia by order of consciousness.
All of this is only made more hilarious by the amount of actual study done into the subject origin. Your magic book says it because someone else's magic book says it, the explanation for their magic book saying it comes down to the authors. Tons of reasons, all of them cultural.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection] Animals are communities like us
May 8, 2019 at 6:44 am
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(May 8, 2019 at 6:38 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Magic book doesn't appear to rate things by "consciousness". There are prohibitions against swine and human beings, but there are plenty of animals between people and pigs if we're making some "higher consciousness" scale....and they're all on the menu.
It's telling you "look, a pig, don't eat it!" - not laying out some treatise on the rank of animalia by order of consciousness.
All of this is only made more hilarious by the amount of actual study done into the subject origin. Your magic book says it because someone else's magic book says it, the explanation for their magic book saying it comes down to the authors. Tons of reasons, all of them cultural.
But how do you explain the verse I mentioned in the OP - Quran 6:38- ??
It is a literal statement from the God of Islam that says animals are communities, just like us humans.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection] Animals are communities like us
May 8, 2019 at 6:46 am
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Takes all of five minutes sitting in nowhere to figure that one out. We've understood herding behaviors and bonding since the mesolithic, at least.
-and it's not a statement from your silly god. Those are words crammed into it's mouth by people.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection] Animals are communities like us
May 8, 2019 at 12:13 pm
(May 8, 2019 at 6:46 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Takes all of five minutes sitting in nowhere to figure that one out. We've understood herding behaviors and bonding since the mesolithic, at least.
-and it's not a statement from your silly god. Those are words crammed into it's mouth by people.
Fair point. The 'sacred' texts make numerous reference to swine, goats, sheep, and so forth, all of which are communal animals. More a matter of simple observation that a pronouncement from Allah.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection] Animals are communities like us
May 8, 2019 at 12:48 pm
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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