(May 12, 2019 at 5:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I fail to see how one bad law is justification for another.  And 'whataboutism' in never a good argument.

Boru

Hey all I'm trying to say is that for some reason muslims know their boundaries, unlike those white supremacists.

(May 12, 2019 at 5:40 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(May 12, 2019 at 5:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I fail to see how one bad law is justification for another.  And 'whataboutism' in never a good argument.

Boru

Hey all I'm trying to say is that for some reason muslims know their boundaries, unlike those white supremacists.

Yeah, good thing Muslim extremists haven't killed anyone, innit?  Boundaries.

Boru

(May 12, 2019 at 4:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 12, 2019 at 7:57 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Swastika flag-carrying white supremacists chanted "6 million more" at a Holocaust remembrance event in Russellville, Arkansas.





Really, you don't think there shouldn't be some anti hate laws?

'Hate' is an emotion.  Not really sure how effectively you can legislate against what people feel.

Boru

The laws are intended to stop fomentation of hate. You knew this.

(May 12, 2019 at 8:20 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(May 12, 2019 at 4:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 'Hate' is an emotion.  Not really sure how effectively you can legislate against what people feel.

Boru

The laws are intended to stop fomentation of hate. You knew this.

And how well has that worked?

Boru

(May 12, 2019 at 8:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 12, 2019 at 8:20 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: The laws are intended to stop fomentation of hate. You knew this.

And how well has that worked?

Boru

Once again, there's no way to tell how many people have been deterred by a law.

(May 12, 2019 at 8:54 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(May 12, 2019 at 8:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And how well has that worked?

Boru

Once again, there's no way to tell how many people have been deterred by a law.

Fair point, but it's pretty easy to tell how many haven't.  And it seems to be a lot.

Boru

So that's why they banned me!

(May 12, 2019 at 10:08 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 12, 2019 at 8:54 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Once again, there's no way to tell how many people have been deterred by a law.

Fair point, but it's pretty easy to tell how many haven't.  And it seems to be a lot.

Boru

Proportion of the general American public? (I.e., do you think that the percentage of people in jail is anywhere close to the percentage of people who would be acting criminally if they thought they wouldn't suffer consequences?)

(May 13, 2019 at 6:23 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(May 12, 2019 at 10:08 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Fair point, but it's pretty easy to tell how many haven't.  And it seems to be a lot.

Boru

Proportion of the general American public? (I.e., do you think that the percentage of people in jail is anywhere close to the percentage of people who would be acting criminally if they thought they wouldn't suffer consequences?)

I have no way of knowing that, obviously.  But the US does have laws against hate speech, yet neo-Nazi fuckwits continue their protests and marches.

'...if there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other, it is the principle of free thought—not free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought that we hate.' - Oliver Wendell Holmes, America jurist and unofficial King Of The Moustache People.

Boru

So, yes, there are people who aren't deterred. Claiming that the scales tip one way or the other is fundamentally incorrect. (I learned that in my Soc. classes.)