(May 28, 2009 at 1:32 pm)Samson Wrote:

Quote:Ah, so you think people on your list need to be killed but you don't kill them yourself so that makes it all right?

Your words on the "Right" part, I never stated a right or wrong...

Indeed you didn't, that is why I asked because that was not very clear.

(May 28, 2009 at 1:32 pm)Samson Wrote: And no, my list of people that would be better off dead, (In my opinion), would be, but I do consider myself to have some type of morals and would never do such a thing.... (You do realize the joking around before hand, right?)
But I do stand beside what I stated on, "Not loosing any sleep over them".

I hardly lose sleep over anything, so people I don't know certainly would not make me an insomniac. But I still wouldn't make a list of people who's deaths would be a positive thing though.

(May 28, 2009 at 1:32 pm)Samson Wrote:

Quote:Which is why I feel teaching children critical thinking skills is paramount. That way they will be far less susceptible to the Comfort's, Cameron's, Ham's and Hovind's in this world. When a well known apologist dies or worse gets killed it only feeds the theists martyr fetish and solves nothing.

I teach my children just fine, and critical thinking, decision making etc is part of that learning process from which I'm handing down....

I believe you, I will even take that on faith.

(May 28, 2009 at 1:32 pm)Samson Wrote: Now as far as one of their saviors passing away, it may give them fuel for their fire, but two things with that. It only last so long and (depending on who it was that passed), there are some that are truly "One of a kind" in their own little special way... When Jerry Falwell died, I almost threw a party.....

I will admit that I have a hard time finding a detrimental thing to Falwell's death, however I do feel sorry for his family, a loss of loved ones is never easy. But the only thing positive I can think of was that Christopher Hitchens got an extra chance to piss people off. So what do you think is positive of Falwell's death?

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(May 28, 2009 at 3:17 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:

(May 27, 2009 at 5:08 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: There is no evidence of that either way, so I don't see how that is debatable. I certainly think Fred Phelps considers himself very religious.

And I think he's far more concerned about the power he holds over others than his religion ... I think it's been that way throughout the ages with many powerful and "pious" people, that religion as a means to wealth, status and power is far more significant than it is as a philosophy.

And that is where it ends. Since neither if us can look in Phelps' mind we have no way of determining who is wrong or right in this case.

(May 28, 2009 at 4:25 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: And that is where it ends. Since neither if us can look in Phelps' mind we have no way of determining who is wrong or right in this case.

So it's debatable

Kyu

(May 28, 2009 at 5:09 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:

(May 28, 2009 at 4:25 pm)leo-rcc Wrote: And that is where it ends. Since neither if us can look in Phelps' mind we have no way of determining who is wrong or right in this case.

So it's debatable

Kyu

Debatable eh? A debate?

So are you guys gonna go at it now or are you gonna agree to disagree?

EvF

Quote:So what do you think is positive of Falwell's death?

Great question, and I do have an answer for you....

"I believe the people who were frightened of this man for so long, finally got to come out of their hiding spots and let people know how they really felt on this hypocritical piece of carbon waste".....

I'm not saying that hiding from this "asshat" was right...Everyone has their own reasons for what they do in life. However, Falwell would bury his own mother if it gave him more spot light time, and the people who knew him....knew that.....

So I would say that, at least, this is one very positive thing that has came from his death.....(Out of the many)....

(May 27, 2009 at 7:44 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:

(May 27, 2009 at 1:13 pm)dagda Wrote: This definition of evil covers humanity ONLY. My belief in an evil pressense or otherwise is beside the point. If you are saying do I think that there is a evil force working within evil people then no. People are bad enough without any Satan-like figure lending a hand. However, I do think evil exists. What is evil is defined in my definition in previous posts.

I am having trouble understanding if you DO believe in OBJECTIVE evil or not though...?


Do you? Because I know of no evidence of it if that's the case....

Everyone has their own definition and there's no evidence of nothing objective is what I believe...

Do you believe in objective free will or not then?

EvF

If you are saying 'Do you belive in a Devil-like cahracter' then I can honestly say I do not know. I have no opinion of the subject hence this topic only covers evil in humans.

Free will? Yes I belive in free will (I am not a Calvinist thankfully!)

Free will? Yes I believe in free will (I am not a Calvinist thankfully!)

Careful with statements like that, or you'll have the wrath of Ev to contend with

Hehehehehe

EvF

Quote:evil
e⋅vil
  /ˈivəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ee-vuhl] Show IPA
–adjective
1. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life.
2. harmful; injurious: evil laws.
3. characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous: to be fallen on evil days.
4. due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character: an evil reputation.
5. marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.: He is known for his evil disposition.
–noun
6. that which is evil; evil quality, intention, or conduct: to choose the lesser of two evils.
7. the force in nature that governs and gives rise to wickedness and sin.
8. the wicked or immoral part of someone or something: The evil in his nature has destroyed the good.
9. harm; mischief; misfortune: to wish one evil.
10. anything causing injury or harm: Tobacco is considered by some to be an evil.
11. a harmful aspect, effect, or consequence: the evils of alcohol.
12. a disease, as king's evil.
–adverb
13. in an evil manner; badly; ill: It went evil with him.
—Idiom
14. the evil one, the devil; Satan.
Origin:
bef. 900; ME evel, evil, OE yfel; c. Goth ubils, OHG ubil, G übel, OFris, MD evel

Given this definition, I would say that evil does infact exist.

We could start with the priests and nuns and burn the bibles.

Just because it is defined in a dictionary DOES NOT mean it is real!

I mean, Jesus fucking Christ man, which one of the 14 definitions have you chosen as *REAL*????

Kyu

hahha lol

Lol! Goblins are in the dictionary so they must exist! All we need now is an edition with the FSM in there and we're all set!

EvF