(May 16, 2019 at 9:49 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I don' t give a shit WHAT ammo you stick in a 9mm. Unless you use poison on the bullet - It's still going to be outclassed by anything with a larger case capacity.

Not necessarily.  If you put a .22 round in a 9mm handgun it won't work.  If you put a .50 round in a 9mm handgun, you'll probably wreck it.

Well, you could turn a 9mm round into an explosive bullet, then it could outclass much larger rounds.

Don't be such a size queen.

Boru

(May 16, 2019 at 1:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If you put a .50 round in a 9mm handgun, you'll probably wreck it.

Nah, it wouldn't fit.

(May 16, 2019 at 1:14 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 12:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The 9mm is a great round and very lethal.  It is widely used by both military and law enforcement for both primary and backup weapons.

I understand ballistics and I know a 22 can be deadly as well.

You are the part of my species evolution I cant stand. How nice of you to talk of "lethal" as if killing a fellow human being with a firearm is something to be admired. It sucks that humans fight, but I hate that side of my species that dream up ways to murder each other.

Do humans need weapons? YES, and unfortunately so. But it is a bullshit attitude that weapons should escape the same scrutiny any other product cant.

And again, you talk of 9mm being used by police and military. YEP, and they also do hundreds of hours per month training for stress shooting situations, something a layperson does not do or have the private money to do at that same level. Target shooting is not the same training as shooting under stress.

Yes a 22 can be deadly, but it isn't designed to spew bullets at a high rate either. Limiting clip size may not stop a shooter, but when that limited clip runs out, it can provide time for people to confront, or flee.

And again, regardless of model, the cheapest way to reduce firearm violence is for the companies to care where their products end up.

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(May 16, 2019 at 1:14 pm)GawdzillBoSama Wrote: Rapid-fire (pun intended) threads need quotes. Just sayin'.

(May 16, 2019 at 1:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 9:49 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I don' t give a shit WHAT ammo you stick in a 9mm. Unless you use poison on the bullet - It's still going to be outclassed by anything with a larger case capacity.

Not necessarily.  If you put a .22 round in a 9mm handgun it won't work.  If you put a .50 round in a 9mm handgun, you'll probably wreck it.

Well, you could turn a 9mm round into an explosive bullet, then it could outclass much larger rounds.

Don't be such a size queen.

Boru

Let's just put you down for the "Clueless Poster of the Year" award with that one.

A great post from the inventor of cluelessness.

(May 16, 2019 at 1:33 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 1:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: If you put a .50 round in a 9mm handgun, you'll probably wreck it.

Nah, it wouldn't fit.

Then you wouldn't have put it in the gun.  But - through sheer, dogged persistence - if you DID manage to jam it in, it would probably wreck the pistol.

Boru

If you stuck an elephant up your ass you wouldn't poop very well.

(May 16, 2019 at 1:40 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 1:14 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You are the part of my species evolution I cant stand. How nice of you to talk of "lethal" as if killing a fellow human being with a firearm is something to be admired. It sucks that humans fight, but I hate that side of my species that dream up ways to murder each other.

Do humans need weapons? YES, and unfortunately so. But it is a bullshit attitude that weapons should escape the same scrutiny any other product cant.

And again, you talk of 9mm being used by police and military. YEP, and they also do hundreds of hours per month training for stress shooting situations, something a layperson does not do or have the private money to do at that same level. Target shooting is not the same training as shooting under stress.

Yes a 22 can be deadly, but it isn't designed to spew bullets at a high rate either. Limiting clip size may not stop a shooter, but when that limited clip runs out, it can provide time for people to confront, or flee.

And again, regardless of model, the cheapest way to reduce firearm violence is for the companies to care where their products end up.

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(May 16, 2019 at 1:25 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Not necessarily.  If you put a .22 round in a 9mm handgun it won't work.  If you put a .50 round in a 9mm handgun, you'll probably wreck it.

Well, you could turn a 9mm round into an explosive bullet, then it could outclass much larger rounds.

Don't be such a size queen.

Boru

Let's just put you down for the "Clueless Poster of the Year" award with that one.

What's clueless about it?  You implied that it doesn't matter what sort of cartridge you put into a 9mm.  I showed that it matters quite a lot (I'm no gun expert, but I'm betting that the preferred round for a 9mm handgun is a 9mm round).

And it's not terribly difficult to turn your ammo into explosive rounds.

Boru

Brian - exactly how long do you think it takes to change a magazine?

Seriously. Are you that poorly informed?

How far do you think you can run in 1 1/2 seconds? I can reliably change a magazine that quickly
 Don't forget to add in 1 second of reaction time on your part.

You might have 1/2 second.

Probably less.

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(May 16, 2019 at 1:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 1:40 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Let's just put you down for the "Clueless Poster of the Year" award with that one.

What's clueless about it?  You implied that it doesn't matter what sort of cartridge you put into a 9mm.  I showed that it matters quite a lot (I'm no gun expert, but I'm betting that the preferred round for a 9mm handgun is a 9mm round).

And it's not terribly difficult to turn your ammo into explosive rounds.

Boru

Bullshit.

Most attempts I have heard of people trying that stupidity end up with stumps on the arms -( only printed accounts I have seen) if they are lucky enough to survive.

The inertia of being fired from the barrel is usually sufficient to detonate any pressure sensitive explosives. 

You are talking out your ass.

(May 16, 2019 at 1:47 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Brian - exactly how long do you think it takes to change a magazine?

Seriously. Are you that poorly informed?

How far do you think you can run in 1 1/2 seconds? I can reliably change a magazine that quickly
 Don't forget to add in 1 second of reaction time on your part.

You might have 1/2 second.

Probably less.

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(May 16, 2019 at 1:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What's clueless about it?  You implied that it doesn't matter what sort of cartridge you put into a 9mm.  I showed that it matters quite a lot (I'm no gun expert, but I'm betting that the preferred round for a 9mm handgun is a 9mm round).

And it's not terribly difficult to turn your ammo into explosive rounds.

Boru

Bullshit.

Most attempts I have heard of people trying that stupidity end up with stumps on the arms -( only printed accounts I have seen) if they are lucky enough to survive.

The inertia of being fired from the barrel is usually sufficient to detonate any pressure sensitive explosives. 

You are talking out your ass.

You don't need explosives to make exploding bullets.

Boru

(May 16, 2019 at 12:56 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You have the same bullshit attitude as a drunk driver. You pick up a firearm a few times and stupidly figure nothing will ever go wrong. Just like a drunk driver gets away with driving drunk and makes it home. Firearms are not forgiving no matter what your intent is. You pull that trigger, there is no rewind like a DVR or reset like an X-Box.

That is why gun safety is so critical as well as knowing the four gun safety rules.

https://www.hunter-ed.com/blog/4-essenti...rm-safety/

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(May 16, 2019 at 12:57 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 12:24 pm)CDF47 Wrote: This is an insane world and there is no such thing as crime free zones.

You must have very high blood pressure.

I have anxiety problems but blood pressure is normal actually.

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(May 16, 2019 at 1:14 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 16, 2019 at 12:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The 9mm is a great round and very lethal.  It is widely used by both military and law enforcement for both primary and backup weapons.

I understand ballistics and I know a 22 can be deadly as well.

You are the part of my species evolution I cant stand. How nice of you to talk of "lethal" as if killing a fellow human being with a firearm is something to be admired. It sucks that humans fight, but I hate that side of my species that dream up ways to murder each other.

Do humans need weapons? YES, and unfortunately so. But it is a bullshit attitude that weapons should escape the same scrutiny any other product cant.

And again, you talk of 9mm being used by police and military. YEP, and they also do hundreds of hours per month training for stress shooting situations, something a layperson does not do or have the private money to do at that same level. Target shooting is not the same training as shooting under stress.

Yes a 22 can be deadly, but it isn't designed to spew bullets at a high rate either. Limiting clip size may not stop a shooter, but when that limited clip runs out, it can provide time for people to confront, or flee.

And again, regardless of model, the cheapest way to reduce firearm violence is for the companies to care where their products end up.

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(May 16, 2019 at 1:14 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Rapid-fire (pun intended) threads need quotes. Just sayin'.

I am against murder.  I am a Christian.  I do not dream up ways of murdering people.  Just because I said a bullet is lethal does not mean I dream up ways of murdering someone.