I am in support of it. I think it's insane to spend money feeding and housing these lifers, who are going to die in jail. If the crime is bad enough to warrant life imprisonment w/o parole, just juice them, and be done. I do think they have the right to appeal, but once their appeals run out, and they're still looking at life, just end it.

It might sound a little harsh, but that's just how I feel.

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I know innocent people are convicted sometimes, but the appeals can drag on for a long time, and often act in truly innocent people's favor. The west memphis three, for example.

Quote:It might sound a little harsh, but that's just how I feel.

That's called 'pragmatism' and avoids the humbug of moral arguments.

(October 12, 2011 at 3:32 am)aleialoura Wrote: I am in support of it. I think it's insane to spend money feeding and housing these lifers, who are going to die in jail.

You think it is insane to imprison them until they die? Ok, what is your solution?

(October 12, 2011 at 3:32 am)aleialoura Wrote: If the crime is bad enough to warrant life imprisonment w/o parole, just juice them, and be done. I do think they have the right to appeal, but once their appeals run out, and they're still looking at life, just end it.

What? Your solution is to just execute them? Do you have any idea how expensive it is? Do you know why the appeals process is so expensive? Ending a life, especially when there is a long history of flawed justice, forged evidence et al in America, is no 'easy' matter.

(October 12, 2011 at 3:32 am)aleialoura Wrote: It might sound a little harsh, but that's just how I feel.

Well, I'll keep that in mind if I ever lose my mind and decide to ask you for legal advice.

(October 12, 2011 at 3:32 am)aleialoura Wrote: I know innocent people are convicted sometimes, but the appeals can drag on for a long time, and often act in truly innocent people's favor. The west memphis three, for example.

Ok, now I know you're delusional. I especially like the Just World hypothesis used here with the "truly innocent" person. What a fucking crock. As if it is any less unjust that a man gets sentenced to death for dubious reasons while still appearing 'guilty'...

A critical argument against the death penalty is that the wrong people get executed. I have yet to see any death penalty supporter offer any real solution other than aleialoura's innocent-people-magically-might-make-it solution, which is no different from prayer.

Proponents of the death penalty have about as much evidence of the effectiveness of aforementioned solution as Rick Perry asking God for rain. Color me surprised.

(October 12, 2011 at 3:32 am)aleialoura Wrote: I am in support of it. I think it's insane to spend money feeding and housing these lifers, who are going to die in jail. If the crime is bad enough to warrant life imprisonment w/o parole, just juice them, and be done. I do think they have the right to appeal, but once their appeals run out, and they're still looking at life, just end it.

It might sound a little harsh, but that's just how I feel.

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I know innocent people are convicted sometimes, but the appeals can drag on for a long time, and often act in truly innocent people's favor. The west memphis three, for example.

1) death is the easy way out, constant prison is a horrendous thought. Imagine spending 40 years in a tiny cell 23hrs a day, what is the real punishment?

2) death row'ers spend years on the row, so I doubt there is any difference financially, the cost of bureaucracy for execution must be huge.

3) you live in a country that consistently makes poor decisions with regards to death penalty and prison terms, just look at the Georgia last month, or even Rick Perrys record as Texas Governor.

(October 12, 2011 at 4:33 pm)5thHorseman Wrote:

(October 12, 2011 at 3:32 am)aleialoura Wrote: I am in support of it. I think it's insane to spend money feeding and housing these lifers, who are going to die in jail. If the crime is bad enough to warrant life imprisonment w/o parole, just juice them, and be done. I do think they have the right to appeal, but once their appeals run out, and they're still looking at life, just end it.

It might sound a little harsh, but that's just how I feel.

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I know innocent people are convicted sometimes, but the appeals can drag on for a long time, and often act in truly innocent people's favor. The west memphis three, for example.

1) death is the easy way out, constant prison is a horrendous thought. Imagine spending 40 years in a tiny cell 23hrs a day, what is the real punishment?

2) death row'ers spend years on the row, so I doubt there is any difference financially, the cost of bureaucracy for execution must be huge.

3) you live in a country that consistently makes poor decisions with regards to death penalty and prison terms, just look at the Georgia last month, or even Rick Perrys record as Texas Governor.

So I take it that you won't be appealing a death sentence if you should ever receive one, eh?
Since you think that death is a less of a punishment than life imprisonment.
The ultimate price you'll pay for anything in your life, is your death.
Nothing more.

Not likely, I live in a civilized country.

(October 12, 2011 at 3:58 am)padraic Wrote:

Quote:It might sound a little harsh, but that's just how I feel.

That's called 'pragmatism' and avoids the humbug of moral arguments.

So much for that, pad

I understand that innocent people get executed, but that doesn't change the fact that innocent people are convicted, and still must face life in prison. If the appeals process fails to free innocent men, then those innocent men are still going to die in jail, and if it were me, I would see death as merciful.

It would be especially merciful to innocent people, since they are innocent, and don't deserve the punishment of 23 hour a day lock down.

I do think that execution should be reserved for people whom commit the most heinous crimes, and that all others should be rehabilitated, if possible, and then released. I believe more money should be spent on helping offenders get their lives straight, through education, job-training, therapy, etc.. and less money spent on keeping people in cells to rot away. It's obviously not working.

I am 100% against life sentences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAJi-W9o7uU

An interesting site discussing costs:

http://deathpenalty.procon.org/view.answ...nID=001000

(October 12, 2011 at 4:59 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: So I take it that you won't be appealing a death sentence if you should ever receive one, eh?
Since you think that death is a less of a punishment than life imprisonment.
The ultimate price you'll pay for anything in your life, is your death.
Nothing more.

Im beginning to wonder if you actually READ the posts you respond to.

(October 12, 2011 at 4:59 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: So I take it that you won't be appealing a death sentence if you should ever receive one, eh?
Since you think that death is a less of a punishment than life imprisonment.
The ultimate price you'll pay for anything in your life, is your death.
Nothing more.

No... death is the end of a trip, nobody wants the trip to end(exceptions. exceptions) and because of that a person that ends their trip prematurely isn't actually punished in the trip, only prematurely ends it, and since you can only suffer punishment while on the trip, ending it is no punishment