(July 3, 2019 at 12:50 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 3, 2019 at 10:17 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Again, fake Christian, you backed up nothing, with nothing. You are the one lying about emotionally charged rhetoric, as you need to try to change the subject from the fact you are an angry old man, have no facts, and support an EVIL man, (then turn around and talk about "wickedness"). You're nothing but an angry old troll, for whom religion has done nothing. Nothing at all, except provide you a vehicle to express your anger and hate. You demonstrate it is you that are the moron here.

again and again you just keep repeating the same logical fallacy over and over just one as hoc attack after another I ask for proof and citation to back your charges and your weak minded efforts only are able to turn fallacious reasoning onto me, now instead of just attacking trump without proof or evidence now you are attacking me using the same M.O. because I called you out rather than play your foolish little game of ya-huh and nut-huh..

Trump has been plausibly accused of rape a number of times most tellingly this includes one of his ex wives.
He has also confessed to being a sexual predator in recordings that you will have heard but dismissed. 

the youngest accuser was 13 at the time of the alleged assault by the way and there are pictures of him with her in the presence of a man currently serving time for procuring underage girls for millionaires.

all of this is freely available on tinterwebz. look it up for yourself, you would only doubt any sources I provide.

(July 3, 2019 at 12:50 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 3, 2019 at 10:17 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Again, fake Christian, you backed up nothing, with nothing. You are the one lying about emotionally charged rhetoric, as you need to try to change the subject from the fact you are an angry old man, have no facts, and support an EVIL man, (then turn around and talk about "wickedness"). You're nothing but an angry old troll, for whom religion has done nothing. Nothing at all, except provide you a vehicle to express your anger and hate. You demonstrate it is you that are the moron here.

again and again you just keep repeating the same logical fallacy over and over just one as hoc attack after another I ask for proof and citation to back your charges and your weak minded efforts only are able to turn fallacious reasoning onto me, now instead of just attacking trump without proof or evidence now you are attacking me using the same M.O. because I called you out rather than play your foolish little game of ya-huh and nut-huh..

LOL. Yet you seem to be unable to point to the fallacy and correctly name it. LMAO.
And actually Old-Angry-Jebus-Troll, it's "ad hom", not "ad hoc". You actually don't even know the very basics of Logic.
You really should consider going and getting yourself an education some day.
You have not explained how it is Christians can support such an evil man, and what justifies your Utilitarianism.
You have done nothing except to try to change the subject as you have no answers to any of the important questions.

(July 3, 2019 at 1:15 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(July 3, 2019 at 12:50 pm)Drich Wrote: again and again you just keep repeating the same logical fallacy over and over just one as hoc attack after another I ask for proof and citation to back your charges and your weak minded efforts only are able to turn fallacious reasoning onto me, now instead of just attacking trump without proof or evidence now you are attacking me using the same M.O. because I called you out rather than play your foolish little game of ya-huh and nut-huh..

Trump has been plausibly accused of rape a number of times most tellingly this includes one of his ex wives.
He has also confessed to being a sexual predator in recordings that you will have heard but dismissed. 

the youngest accuser was 13 at the time of the alleged assault by the way and there are pictures of him with her in the presence of a man currently serving time for procuring underage girls for millionaires.

all of this is freely available on tinterwebz. look it up for yourself, you would only doubt any sources I provide.

DOC-UMEN-TA-ION douchebag show me a conviction show me proof show me a guilty verdict or are you living in a backward 3rd world nation where an accusation is the same as a conviction and jail time? IE guilt till proven innocent?

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Otherwise know the interwebs is full of bull shite like you and your buddy who can not discern the difference between slander and the truth. there are people so f-ing stupid all you have to do is to have someone say you did XYZ and justice/right and wrong be damned in their mind you are guilty. You see that is what buckster is counting on. that I am a stupid person and will automatically defend anything he charges with out proof or documentation. Not gonna do it.. he like you has to proove first what you say is true simply because you have yet to provide anything besides conjecture and slander to start a conversation..

Meaning you may surround yourself with stupid people who go off at any sign of disagreement, but I am not one of them. show me you are not a troll first show me I am wrong and I will admit it, eitherway there is no reason to argue, as the fact bear out... I have proved my position in citations and documentation. and you have not. you two are just trolls phishing for an arguement.

Quote: show me you are not a troll first show me I am wrong and I will admit it

Precisely the OPPOSITE of innocent UNTIL proven guilty.

Trump ADMITTED PUBLICALLY he sexually assaulted women. On the Access Hollywood tape.
There is no need to prove what has been admitted.

Please grow a brain, L'il Drichy.

(July 3, 2019 at 2:13 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 3, 2019 at 1:15 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Trump has been plausibly accused of rape a number of times most tellingly this includes one of his ex wives.
He has also confessed to being a sexual predator in recordings that you will have heard but dismissed. 

the youngest accuser was 13 at the time of the alleged assault by the way and there are pictures of him with her in the presence of a man currently serving time for procuring underage girls for millionaires.

all of this is freely available on tinterwebz. look it up for yourself, you would only doubt any sources I provide.

DOC-UMEN-TA-ION douchebag show me a conviction show me proof show me a guilty verdict or are you living in a backward 3rd world nation where an accusation is the same as a conviction and jail time? IE guilt till proven innocent?

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Otherwise know the interwebs is full of bull shite like you and your buddy who can not discern the difference between slander and the truth. there are people so f-ing stupid all you have to do is to have someone say you did XYZ and justice/right and wrong be damned in their mind you are guilty.  You see that is what buckster is counting on. that I am a stupid person and will automatically defend anything he charges with out proof or documentation. Not gonna do it.. he like you has to proove first what you say is true simply because you have yet to provide anything besides conjecture and slander to start a conversation..

Meaning you may surround yourself with stupid people who go off at any sign of disagreement, but I am not one of them. show me you are not a troll first show me I am wrong and I will admit it, eitherway there is no reason to argue, as the fact bear out... I have proved my position in citations and documentation. and you have not. you two are just trolls phishing for an arguement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tru...llegations

Quote:Ivana Trump (1989)

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Ivana and Donald Trump in 1985

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivana_Trump]Ivana Trump and Donald Trump married in 1977.[3] Ivana stated in a deposition taken in 1989, during their divorce proceedings, that Donald had visited her plastic surgeon following which he had expressed anger and ripped out hair from her scalp.[1] Donald said the allegation was "obviously false".[3] The 1993 book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald Trump, by Harry Hurt III, described the alleged attack as a "violent assault" during which Donald attacked Ivana sexually.[3] According to the book, Ivana later confided to some of her friends that Donald had raped her.[3] In a statement given just before the publication of Hurt's book, and included in the book, Ivana said:

Quote:[O]n one occasion during 1989, Mr. Trump and I had marital relations in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marriage. As a woman, I felt violated, as the love and tenderness, which he normally exhibited towards me, was absent. I referred to this as a "rape," but I do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense.
— Ivana Trump[3][1]

The Trumps' divorce was granted in December 1990[18] on grounds that Donald's treatment of Ivana, including his affair with Marla Maples, was "cruel and inhuman".[3][19][20] According to Trump's lawyer, Jay Goldberg, this was based on Trump having been seen in public with Marla Maples in 1990.[18] Their settlement[a] had a confidentiality clause preventing Ivana discussing the marriage or the divorce.[4][1] In 1992, Trump sued Ivana for not honoring a gag clause in their divorce agreement by disclosing facts about him in her best-selling book, and Trump won a gag order 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-rape-case_n_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834

Quote:The allegations aren’t entirely implausible on their face. The accuser says Trump raped her repeatedly at parties thrown by since-convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, who was widely known to throw wild parties with young women and girls. Epstein was convicted in 2008 of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution and served a small portion of an 18-year sentence.

Quote:In a New York magazine profile of Epstein before he went to prison, and long before Trump ran for president, Trump acknowledged that he knows Epstein. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,’’ Trump says in the story. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it ― Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Did you see the number of sexual crime accusations against him many from before he was running for president. Some going as far as court and from reputable sources. Some he has even admitted to in the form of bragging. In other words you have a likely rapist as your preferred choice of president.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i...-full-list

It should be noted that, as credible as these accusations are, he’s not likely to ever get a guilty verdict, not because of any flaws in their testimonies, but for the same reason he wasn’t charged in the Muller probe: because the DoJ point-blank refuses to indict a sitting president.

https://time.com/5573289/robert-mueller-...n-charges/

The Staute of Limitations might be another major issue. That said, just because he hasn’t had a guilty verdict doesn’t mean he’s not likely to be guilty.

Look at the case of Jimmy Savile. In life, he was one of the most beloved TV presenters in he UK. He even raised £45 million for charity. But there were always little murmurs of unseemly activities. But when he died in 2011, the floodgates started to open, and it turned out that, with 450 claimed victims, he was probably the most prolific sex offender since the fall of the Roman Empire. By January 2013, they found at least 214 incidents serious (and credible) enough to be labeled as crimes by the police forces, with victims ranging from toddlers to old grannies. Why wasn’t this brought to the police sooner? Well, in many cases, they were, and either they weren’t believed or, in the case that went the furthest in his lifetime, it went like this:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/intera...transcript

Is it really so hard that someone with more money than God and fewer scruples than
Satan, like Trump, managed to avoid the sort of legal trouble Drich expects to happen? If this was just one accusation, it’s reasonable to be skeptical about it, especially if it was actually investigated thoroughly at the time and found lacking, but with Trump, there’s so much shit that it can’t be ignored. At least, if you’re not willing to ignore all the shit he’s done as president that’s even worse.

Before you start to think, well, that was Britain, it can’t happen in America, I leave you with four words, well, two names: Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein.

(July 1, 2019 at 4:01 pm)Nomad Wrote: Not my fight, lad.  I'm Irish, where democratic elections are a given.

But it is a point that needs be brought up again and again and again and again and again.  The US doesn't hold democratic elections, mainly because like it's exemplar the SPQR it is an oligarchical republic.

No one is debating that the election process in the US is purely democratic. It clearly is not.

(July 3, 2019 at 2:40 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(July 3, 2019 at 2:13 pm)Drich Wrote: DOC-UMEN-TA-ION douchebag show me a conviction show me proof show me a guilty verdict or are you living in a backward 3rd world nation where an accusation is the same as a conviction and jail time? IE guilt till proven innocent?

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Otherwise know the interwebs is full of bull shite like you and your buddy who can not discern the difference between slander and the truth. there are people so f-ing stupid all you have to do is to have someone say you did XYZ and justice/right and wrong be damned in their mind you are guilty.  You see that is what buckster is counting on. that I am a stupid person and will automatically defend anything he charges with out proof or documentation. Not gonna do it.. he like you has to proove first what you say is true simply because you have yet to provide anything besides conjecture and slander to start a conversation..

Meaning you may surround yourself with stupid people who go off at any sign of disagreement, but I am not one of them. show me you are not a troll first show me I am wrong and I will admit it, eitherway there is no reason to argue, as the fact bear out... I have proved my position in citations and documentation. and you have not. you two are just trolls phishing for an arguement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tru...llegations

Quote:Ivana Trump (1989)

[/url]
Ivana and Donald Trump in 1985

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivana_Trump]Ivana Trump and Donald Trump married in 1977.[3] Ivana stated in a deposition taken in 1989, during their divorce proceedings, that Donald had visited her plastic surgeon following which he had expressed anger and ripped out hair from her scalp.[1] Donald said the allegation was "obviously false".[3] The 1993 book Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald Trump, by Harry Hurt III, described the alleged attack as a "violent assault" during which Donald attacked Ivana sexually.[3] According to the book, Ivana later confided to some of her friends that Donald had raped her.[3] In a statement given just before the publication of Hurt's book, and included in the book, Ivana said:
The Trumps' divorce was granted in December 1990[18] on grounds that Donald's treatment of Ivana, including his affair with Marla Maples, was "cruel and inhuman".[3][19][20] According to Trump's lawyer, Jay Goldberg, this was based on Trump having been seen in public with Marla Maples in 1990.[18] Their settlement[a] had a confidentiality clause preventing Ivana discussing the marriage or the divorce.[4][1] In 1992, Trump sued Ivana for not honoring a gag clause in their divorce agreement by disclosing facts about him in her best-selling book, and Trump won a gag order 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-rape-case_n_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834

Quote:The allegations aren’t entirely implausible on their face. The accuser says Trump raped her repeatedly at parties thrown by since-convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, who was widely known to throw wild parties with young women and girls. Epstein was convicted in 2008 of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution and served a small portion of an 18-year sentence.

Quote:In a New York magazine profile of Epstein before he went to prison, and long before Trump ran for president, Trump acknowledged that he knows Epstein. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,’’ Trump says in the story. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it ― Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Did you see the number of sexual crime accusations against him many from before he was running for president. Some going as far as court and from reputable sources. Some he has even admitted to in the form of bragging. In other words you have a likely rapist as your preferred choice of president.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-i...-full-list

I don't see a crime here.

Trump said if you are rich you can grab a woman by the "P." Leo dicaprio depicted howard hughes doing this very thing in the movie the aviator. this is not a new revelation.  He didn't say he did it. nor did he nor is it proven that any woman say he did this and or objected.

Also simple being back stage of one of these events puts one in full view of most of the women participating as they have to change into several different outfits. Trump sponsor miss universe for decades. meaning he paid for managed the event which placed him back stage a time or two. Again not a crime.

you a-hle don't seem to know the difference between criminal behavior, and just good old fashion sin.

Trump is not a priest nor did he ever claim to be.

get over yourselves and start buying tissue because come 2020 all you snow flakes will have bought out the national supply as the tears will flow again till 2024..

He did, in fact, say that he did it.

“I’m automatically attracted to beautiful women. I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they just let you do it, you can do anything, grab em by the pussy”

- the 45th president of the United States of America.

Stop bullshitting yourself. He did it, you’re just okay with it. Strong Christian Values™.

(July 3, 2019 at 3:09 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: It should be noted that, as credible as these accusations are, he’s not likely to ever get a guilty verdict, not because of any flaws in their testimonies, but for the same reason he wasn’t charged in the Muller probe: because the DoJ point-blank refuses to indict a sitting president.

https://time.com/5573289/robert-mueller-...n-charges/

The Staute of Limitations might be another major issue. That said, just because he hasn’t had a guilty verdict doesn’t mean he’s not likely to be guilty.

Look at the case of Jimmy Savile. In life, he was one of the most beloved TV presenters in he UK. He even raised £45 million for charity. But there were always little murmurs of unseemly activities. But when he died in 2011, the floodgates started to open, and it turned out that, with 450 claimed victims, he was probably the most prolific sex offender since the fall of the Roman Empire. By January 2013, they found at least 214 incidents serious (and credible) enough to be labeled as crimes by the police forces, with victims ranging from toddlers to old grannies. Why wasn’t this brought to the police sooner? Well, in many cases, they were, and either they weren’t believed or, in the case that went the furthest in his lifetime, it went like this:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/intera...transcript

Is it really so hard that someone with more money than God and fewer scruples than
Satan, like Trump, managed to avoid the sort of legal trouble Drich expects to happen? If this was just one accusation, it’s reasonable to be skeptical about it, especially if it was actually investigated thoroughly at the time and found lacking, but with Trump, there’s so much shit that it can’t be ignored. At least, if you’re not willing to ignore all the shit he’s done as president that’s even worse.

Before you start to think, well, that was Britain, it can’t happen in America, I leave you with four words, well, two names: Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein.

You are saying trump is guilty because some other guy in the uk is guilty that you get the same heebgeebe from trump as you do this other guy?

Can you moron see how low you have to dip from the well of faith to make trump out to be truly evil? 2/3s of your post is about crap that has nothing to do with trump. you are shooting from emotion and blind faith!which is some how bad when it comes to God but the golden rule it would seem to guide every other aspect of your life! where is that athestic demand for evidence and proof? kinda does not matter here huh? Man if there was a god then you've probably really pissed him off on how big of a hypocrite you can be... it seems you will say believe or profess in anything so lng as you can think however you want.

One minute your on about proof and evidence and the next you judge a man based only on emotion vibes and what a complete stranger did the last time you felt this way. do you know no shame?

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(July 8, 2019 at 3:23 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: He did, in fact, say that he did it.

no he didn't 
He said I better pop a few tic tacs because when i see beutiful women i just start kissing and if you are famous they will let you do it. and you see trump at miss america kissing everyone... on the cheek. then he said "you can do anything Grabem by the P, YOU (billy bush the guy trump was talking to in that bus) can do anything...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tru...ywood_tape

Where your little mind gets lost is right after they marched out those democratically paid actresses that when scrutinized it turns out they where lying. So you got trump seeming saying he does this sort of thing and then women saying they had this done.

Again where the truth escapes you, trump never said he did this. two the examples turned out to be paid crazy women who did not want trump in office and literally would say anything to keep him from it.