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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 4, 2019 at 12:50 pm
@ John 6IX Breezy
You do realize that even if you could demonstrate that the human eye couldn’t have evolved, that does not constitute a positive argument or evidence for any other alternative hypothesis...yes?
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 4, 2019 at 12:52 pm
(August 3, 2019 at 11:32 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Wouldn't you agree that a topic I'm very familiar with is a good way to test out a new and unfamiliar forum? Of course.
It is not all together new and unfamiliar, John.
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 4, 2019 at 1:03 pm
(August 4, 2019 at 12:52 pm)chimp3 Wrote: (August 3, 2019 at 11:32 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Wouldn't you agree that a topic I'm very familiar with is a good way to test out a new and unfamiliar forum? Of course.
It is not all together new and unfamiliar, John.
I cant see how it is a "subject he is very familiar" with. He is making a lot of errors of the nature of evolution. I am guessing American, possibly home "schooled".
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 4, 2019 at 1:16 pm
Your position can be whatever you want, John. Regardless of whether you hold the position that evolutionary biology has a destination, it’s not part of the theory or consistent with biological facts.
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 4, 2019 at 1:17 pm
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(August 3, 2019 at 11:01 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: The eye, for most species, is a relatively simple structure compared to the internal mechanisms that transform its sensory information into something perceivable. When it comes to evolution, the emphasis is usually on the eye rather than on vision (see video below). My primary concern with the typical narrative for the evolution of the eye, is that it only tells half the story. There are three things which, at the very least, need to co-evolve in order for there to be any positive evolutionary change in vision: Sensation, Perception, and Behavior. Sensation refers to the sense organ (eye); perception refers to whatever systems processes the sensory information (brain); and behavior refers to the output the organism aims to accomplish with this information. An eye that evolves through the stages presented by Dawkins, without simultaneously evolving the neural accessories for processing that information, and the behavioral capacity to make use of that information, should not be able to experience the types of selective pressures that allows for its evolution.
In other words, Dawkins' narrative (which I believe he recounts in one of his books) focuses on the sense organ exclusively, as if it evolved in isolation. My concern is that the narrative is too simple, to the point of being misinforming.
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 4, 2019 at 1:39 pm
(August 4, 2019 at 1:03 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (August 4, 2019 at 12:52 pm)chimp3 Wrote: It is not all together new and unfamiliar, John.
I cant see how it is a "subject he is very familiar" with. He is making a lot of errors of the nature of evolution. I am guessing American, possibly home "schooled".
He posted at Atheist Republic for years. He is tenacious to say the least.
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 4, 2019 at 1:49 pm
Great, we attract idiots that think of themselves too high. Dunning and Kruger would have a field day on this forum.
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 4, 2019 at 2:02 pm
(August 4, 2019 at 1:39 pm)chimp3 Wrote: (August 4, 2019 at 1:03 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I cant see how it is a "subject he is very familiar" with. He is making a lot of errors of the nature of evolution. I am guessing American, possibly home "schooled".
He posted at Atheist Republic for years. He is tenacious to say the least.
One of those eh.
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 4, 2019 at 2:08 pm
Evolution: fact
Creationism: fantasy
Intelligent design: really bad fantasy
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RE: Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)
August 4, 2019 at 3:55 pm
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Fantasy is usually calculated to be harmless. Creationism and intelligent design can not really be excused as belonging in the “calculated to be harmless” category. They are malicious frauds meant to benefit and perpetuate the dominance of particular cabal with almost total disregard of the possible expense to humanity.
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