(September 24, 2019 at 2:46 pm)Shell B Wrote: Walt went fucking insane. There were moments where I hated him, which made him, of course, an excellent character.

Yeah, same. I think Walt just finally stopped giving a fuck about what anyone thought. He spent his whole life being a mediocre, under-accomplished chemist with a wife who didn't respect him and a kid who he felt didn't look up to him. It was his revenge on the world, in a way. His way of saying, "Fuck everyone, I'm going to make something of myself, and do something that excites me, regardless of who gets hurt because of it because I don't care anymore."

Totally psychopathic, but yes, it made very an excellent character.

I think I tried to watch three or four episodes of Breaking Bad.  Didn't hold my interest.

Boru

(September 24, 2019 at 3:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think I tried to watch three or four episodes of Breaking Bad.  Didn't hold my interest.

Boru

Oh, okay. Cool...

(September 24, 2019 at 11:36 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(September 24, 2019 at 11:27 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: To Breaking Bad? Do you have a pulse?! 😛

I used to accompany local police when I had located a deserter. One place was a trailer with a chainlink fence around it. Dogs and kids entered and exited through holes in the floor. The kids were apparently eating dog food with the mutts. The adults were all wasted. They kept their drugs in aquariums with rattlesnakes or tarantulas for protection. Of the four kids there three were school age, but had never been to school.

I could go on... I find nothing entertaining about meth dealers.

As a former meth user I managed to find the entertainment value.

I love Breaking Bad. I still have yet to watch a TV show that filled me with such an excitement, including Better Call Saul. Words truly cannot describe how pumped I am for this movie. It's going to have a limited theatrical release in addition to the Netflix release - 100% going to see it that way.

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(September 24, 2019 at 2:46 pm)Shell B Wrote: Walt went fucking insane. There were moments where I hated him, which made him, of course, an excellent character.

I've seen the series five times and I think he's the same character the entire time. The only difference is he learns the tools of the trade and perfects them.

(September 24, 2019 at 4:02 pm)Aegon Wrote: As a former meth user I managed to find the entertainment value.

I love Breaking Bad. I still have yet to watch a TV show that filled me with such an excitement, including Better Call Saul. Words truly cannot describe how pumped I am for this movie. It's going to have a limited theatrical release in addition to the Netflix release - 100% going to see it that way.

In all the years I spent living out the whole "fast life" fantasy, I never saw meth. Not even once. Never sold it, tried it, saw it, or even heard of people doing it, save for one dude who supposedly blew up his garage trying to cook it.

Though, I think that anyone who has experience in the drug world can pretty much translate the meth business into whatever language they understand. It's a pretty awesome crime drama series, regardless. I fucking love it.

(September 24, 2019 at 3:55 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(September 24, 2019 at 2:46 pm)Shell B Wrote: Walt went fucking insane. There were moments where I hated him, which made him, of course, an excellent character.

Yeah, same. I think Walt just finally stopped giving a fuck about what anyone thought. He spent his whole life being a mediocre, under-accomplished chemist with a wife who didn't respect him and a kid who he felt didn't look up to him. It was his revenge on the world, in a way. His way of saying, "Fuck everyone, I'm going to make something of myself, and do something that excites me, regardless of who gets hurt because of it because I don't care anymore."

Totally psychopathic, but yes, it made very an excellent character.

I disagree. I think vengeance might have been a peripheral motive towards the end, particularly in "Felina," but the real characteristic driving Walt is pride. It's the same pride that caused him to snap and leave Gray Matter before the series starts, the same pride that rejects Elliot's offer to pay for his treatments, the same pride that propels him to make the purest meth on Earth, and the same pride that makes him a billionaire shipping drugs overseas when all he "needed" was $737,000.

I also think, while he does display some psychopathic tendencies, he isn't a psychopath. Despite using people as pawns in his plans on several occasions, he clearly empathizes. He sees Jesse as a son. Hank's death completely broke him. There's no doubt he cares for his family... he may have fabricated a bullshit story about the role of family in his psyche, but he undoubtedly loves Skyler and Walt Jr regardless. That's why I think it all comes back to pride - being the smartest in the room and winning at all costs. But when he is faced with the consequences of his actions, his reaction is anything but psychopathic.

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(September 24, 2019 at 4:06 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(September 24, 2019 at 4:02 pm)Aegon Wrote: As a former meth user I managed to find the entertainment value.

I love Breaking Bad. I still have yet to watch a TV show that filled me with such an excitement, including Better Call Saul. Words truly cannot describe how pumped I am for this movie. It's going to have a limited theatrical release in addition to the Netflix release - 100% going to see it that way.

In all the years I spent living out the whole "fast life" fantasy, I never saw meth. Not even once. Never sold it, tried it, saw it, or even heard of people doing it, save for one dude who supposedly blew up his garage trying to cook it.

Though, I think that anyone who has experience in the drug world can pretty much translate the meth business into whatever language they understand. It's a pretty awesome crime drama series, regardless. I fucking love it.

Breaking Bad got a lot on-point. The hallucinations Jesse sees after smoking meth for days on no sleep were fairly accurate - he sees Mormons as scary bikers and I saw similar distortions, although they were usually "shadow people" with no faces who sounded like my mom. I had spent time in several houses just like the one that Jesse finds that poor kid in in Season 2.

But to think of the show as a drama about meth is underselling it. It's a character study, that utilizes the drug world, but it's not about the drug world.

(September 24, 2019 at 4:11 pm)Aegon Wrote: I disagree. I think vengeance might have been a peripheral motive towards the end, particularly in "Felina," but the real characteristic driving Walt is pride. It's the same pride that caused him to snap and leave Gray Matter before the series starts, the same pride that rejects Elliot's offer to pay for his treatments, the same pride that propels him to make the purest meth on Earth, and the same pride that makes him a billionaire shipping drugs overseas when all he "needed" was $737,000.

I also think, while he does display some psychopathic tendencies, he isn't a psychopath. Despite using people as pawns in his plans on several occasions, he clearly empathizes. He sees Jesse as a son. Hank's death completely broke him. There's no doubt he cares for his family... he may have fabricated a bullshit story about the role of family in his psyche, but he undoubtedly loves Skyler and Walt Jr regardless. That's why I think it all comes back to pride - being the smartest in the room and winning at all costs. But when he is faced with the consequences of his actions, his reaction is anything but psychopathic.

1. What exactly are you disagreeing with? That Walt's pride was his motivating factor was my entire point.

2. I don't think psychopathy or sociopathy exist in this black-and-white way that a lot of people try to say it does. Regardless, arguing about whether or not Walt was a psychopath doesn't interest me. He certainly exhibited quite a lot of behavior that a psychopath would. So, yeah, I don't really care lol

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(September 24, 2019 at 4:11 pm)Aegon Wrote: But to think of the show as a drama about meth is underselling it. It's a character study, that utilizes the drug world, but it's not about the drug world.

I never said the show was just "a drama about meth." You seem to be needlessly nitpicking here. Obviously, any show worth it's weight in dog shit will be about much more than what's on the surface. BB is worth it's weight in gold, if not more.

If you didn't get that BB redefined how good a TV show could be - you'd better stick to Spongebob Squarepants......

(September 24, 2019 at 4:36 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: If you didn't get that BB redefined how good a TV show could be - you'd better stick to Spongebob Squarepants......

In my opinion, it is the best television show to date. I agree: it completely redefined what television could accomplish.

(September 24, 2019 at 4:19 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(September 24, 2019 at 4:11 pm)Aegon Wrote: I disagree. I think vengeance might have been a peripheral motive towards the end, particularly in "Felina," but the real characteristic driving Walt is pride. It's the same pride that caused him to snap and leave Gray Matter before the series starts, the same pride that rejects Elliot's offer to pay for his treatments, the same pride that propels him to make the purest meth on Earth, and the same pride that makes him a billionaire shipping drugs overseas when all he "needed" was $737,000.

I also think, while he does display some psychopathic tendencies, he isn't a psychopath. Despite using people as pawns in his plans on several occasions, he clearly empathizes. He sees Jesse as a son. Hank's death completely broke him. There's no doubt he cares for his family... he may have fabricated a bullshit story about the role of family in his psyche, but he undoubtedly loves Skyler and Walt Jr regardless. That's why I think it all comes back to pride - being the smartest in the room and winning at all costs. But when he is faced with the consequences of his actions, his reaction is anything but psychopathic.

1. What exactly are you disagreeing with? That Walt's pride was his motivating factor was my entire point.

2. I don't think psychopathy or sociopathy exist in this black-and-white way that a lot of people try to say it does. Regardless, arguing about whether or not Walt was a psychopath doesn't interest me. He certainly exhibited quite a lot of behavior that a psychopath would. So, yeah, I don't really care lol

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(September 24, 2019 at 4:11 pm)Aegon Wrote: But to think of the show as a drama about meth is underselling it. It's a character study, that utilizes the drug world, but it's not about the drug world.

I never said the show was just "a drama about meth." You seem to be needlessly nitpicking here. Obviously, any show worth it's weight in dog shit will be about much more than what's on the surface. BB is worth it's weight in gold, if not more.

I disagree with the notion that he was seeking revenge on the world or anything like that. My argument is that he holds the same pride from the start of the series to the end, and it's never really about vengeance... I think that frustration with his position in life was a large factor, but secondary to the pride that was a part of him his whole life. Sorry, I love the show and have thought about Walt's character a ton lol. It is interesting to discuss his potential psychopathy.

I'm not attacking you, man, I agree with you. I'm not nitpicking anything you're saying, I'm just discussing...