If Biden does not completely implode from gaffes, health, or senility; he will probably get the nomination because a little over half of likely Democrat primary voters are moderate and I don't think Klobuchar can take his place if he's still a strong contender. Sanders and Warren will likely cancel each other out unless one drops, and both are fight to the bitter end types; but if Sanders drops out before the primary due to health, Warren has a shot at the nomination.

If I were to vote in the primary today, I would pick Buttigieg or Harris; based on a deep desire to see one of them on a debate stage with Trump; and an opinion that either would do a good job as president.

Then I will vote for whoever gets the Democrat nomination in the general election; which will probably be Biden or possibly Warren. I think Biden has the better chance in the general because Warren is ahead of her time and won't be able to capture enough independents to take the presidency; but maybe I'm 'misunderestimating' the electorate.

(October 17, 2019 at 11:35 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: Yeah, I’m going to leave this here for Ceci, so she can see where I’m coming from.

https://ahtribune.com/us/2020-election/3...itics.html

The reason I bring up that she used to be.p a Republican is because if you look a bit more closely into her record, it really shines through. Admittedly, it may be more of an old-school Republican than the current “two notches below Literal Nazis” Republicans, but it’s still there if you look for it.

She might have been a Republican in the past, but she walks the walk.  When someone in her campaign was accused of sexual harassment, it was investigated quickly, and the person was removed.  The idea that she can't win is simply absurd.  Let's not forget that Hillary lost very narrowly -- and she won the popular vote.  And that was in spite of not visiting a few key states, along with her years-long baggage (which Warren does not have).  So you'll have to excuse me for finding the idea that she's "Just Hillary" patently absurd and rather sexist. 

"Identity Politics" is just a way of saying "We don't need a female President!"  That much is obvious from the attacks on the "I'm with her" slogan, which wasn't even the official slogan (which was "Stronger Together".  And this time around, I think we've got a DAMN GOOD female candidate running.  And she's got a good shot at winning -- not only the primary, but the general election too.

I tend to be pragmatic - by the time our primary rolls around, there's only going to be a couple of names left. Of those who are likely to still be around, I like Warren.

However, I intend to register as Republican for the primary only so I can do my part to primary Trump, as unlikely as that scenario is. Fuck it, I don't belong to any party.

At this point, if the Democrats nominated a ham sandwich, I'd vote for it in the general election.

Point made, Ceci, perhaps my Hilary Redux comments were overly simplistic.

One thing I've always had a problem with is that some people have a purity test. It's fine for the primary, but once it comes to the general election it comes down to: Donald Trump vs ANY Democrat. And while I don't think just any democrat can win, and that we do need someone who can implement solutions that we need, I think multiple candidates fit that bill.

Warren:
 

Biden:


Sanders:

(October 18, 2019 at 8:06 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(October 17, 2019 at 12:51 am)AFTT47 Wrote: It's Biden for me. He's no angel (none of us are) but he is a moderate which matches my preferences.

I will hold my nose and vote for who ever is running against Trump. I would vote for a homeless drunk living in a box under an overpass over Trump. But my preference is a moderate like Biden. Joe is a good and honorable man and of all the candidates, is my favorite.

I would love to see a woman President but I don't think we have a good field this time around. I think Hillary would have been great but I don't see any of the the current female candidates as compelling.

After Hillary's loss I don't think we'll see a female President any time soon. Then again, I don't really care if we do, or don't. You could be a purple, transsexual, Muslim Martian for all I care - if you're fit for the job you're fit for the job.

My reasoning here is that women are 50% of the population. I feel it is absolutely untenable that women of any race are so under-represented. The male-dominated paradigm MUST end. I am a man but this problem is crystal-clear obvious to me.

People of great skills like engineers, physicians and political leaders are of great value. How can we possibly justify throwing away half of them because of antiquated stereotypes?

We have all kinds of problems but IMHO, throwing away the the talents of women is chief amongst them.

Yes, I too am most concerned that the next President of the USA will embody the skills we need to move forward and IMHO, that's Joe Biden. However, I would REALLY like to see a woman POTUS because IMHO, it's important. As bad as racism is, I think sexism is worse. We need to come to full realization that the female members of our species are fully as capable as the male members.

(October 19, 2019 at 12:35 am)AFTT47 Wrote: My reasoning here is that women are 50% of the population. I feel it is absolutely untenable that women of any race are so under-represented. The male-dominated paradigm MUST end. I am a man but this problem is crystal-clear obvious to me.

People of great skills like engineers, physicians and political leaders are of great value. How can we possibly justify throwing away half of them because of antiquated stereotypes?

We have all kinds of problems but IMHO, throwing away the the talents of women is chief amongst them.

Yes, I too am most concerned that the next President of the USA will embody the skills we need to move forward and IMHO, that's Joe Biden. However, I would REALLY like to see a woman POTUS because IMHO, it's important. As bad as racism is, I think sexism is worse. We need to come to full realization that the female members of our species are fully as capable as the male members.

I agree, but I don't think having a female POTUS just to have one is anything we should consider. If Warren is going to be fit for office, then great, let's vote her in. But I don't really care to artificially insert some female POTUS into the Oval Office just to make some statement about women being under-represented.

I think, if anything, having a female President is only going to show that women can fuck the job up just as well as men do. It's really an archaic concept in my opinion.

(October 19, 2019 at 3:09 am)EgoDeath Wrote:

(October 19, 2019 at 12:35 am)AFTT47 Wrote: My reasoning here is that women are 50% of the population. I feel it is absolutely untenable that women of any race are so under-represented. The male-dominated paradigm MUST end. I am a man but this problem is crystal-clear obvious to me.

People of great skills like engineers, physicians and political leaders are of great value. How can we possibly justify throwing away half of them because of antiquated stereotypes?

We have all kinds of problems but IMHO, throwing away the the talents of women is chief amongst them.

Yes, I too am most concerned that the next President of the USA will embody the skills we need to move forward and IMHO, that's Joe Biden. However, I would REALLY like to see a woman POTUS because IMHO, it's important. As bad as racism is, I think sexism is worse. We need to come to full realization that the female members of our species are fully as capable as the male members.

I agree, but I don't think having a female POTUS just to have one is anything we should consider. If Warren is going to be fit for office, then great, let's vote her in. But I don't really care to artificially insert some female POTUS into the Oval Office just to make some statement about women being under-represented.

I think, if anything, having a female President is only going to show that women can fuck the job up just as well as men do. It's really an archaic concept in my opinion.

We're on the same page. All things being equal, I would prefer a female President but if the primary were held today, I would vote for Joe Biden. If the general election were held today, I would take time off from work to vote for almost anyone running opposed to Trump. A homeless drunk would get my vote over Trump.