I agree with Lucent up to a point, from the applicants point of view if there is someone else who isn't a complete douche to put a stamp on a piece of paper then just turn to that other person. But it is increasing the workload to coworkers, and I can also imagine that they are not very happy about that. If there is a supervisor in this facility, that supervisor could re-assign the refusing employee to duties not pertaining marriage licenses.

(October 18, 2011 at 9:25 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(October 18, 2011 at 9:21 am)lucent Wrote:

(October 18, 2011 at 9:09 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(October 18, 2011 at 9:05 am)lucent Wrote: She has a right to protection under the law and shouldn't be forced to violate her moral standards. It's ironic you would decry her religious freedom under the law by forcing her to violate her ethics for gay rights.

Her freedom of religion is only to follow whatever fairtale she chooses.

It does not allow her to impose it on others, which is what she is doing here.

I notice you didn't respond to my question either

Her religious freedom is protected under law in the work place. It allows her to be reasonably accomodated:

http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/qanda_religion.html

As for your example, I wouldn't sincerely care if anyone denied me service because of a deeply held religious belief. I would simply find service elsewhere.

Like fuck you would, you'd be up on your christian high horse hollering religious persecution for the whole world to hear, even more so if it was a evil atheist that refused you service.

I am practically numb to such treatment, it doesn't bother me. I do find some of it annoying, but not to the point that I would try to get someone in trouble or make a federal case out of it.

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(October 18, 2011 at 9:32 am)5thHorseman Wrote: 'As for your example, I wouldn't sincerely care if anyone denied me service because of a deeply held religious belief. I would simply find service elsewhere.'

What a laughable crock of shit. If I refused to stamp your marriage certificate because your a Christian nutjob and I'm a atheist who says your beliefs are evil, you'd kick up a stink.

Perhaps that is how you would act. If I had no other alternative I would be forced to go to your superior but I am not interested in creating more drama in the world than is absolutely necessary.

By the dogs and all that's holey luce ...you are such a hypocrite

Well then you're a sucker. If you'd let someone fuck up your marriage, health or any other aspect of your life because of their religious views, you're a sap. So you carry on saying 'yes sir' and hoping that the people in charge of those parts of your life pray to the same imaginary prick you do, and in the meantime let the people with brains take care of it so that it never comes up in the first place.

It also works the other way around of course.

As some might know, Matt Dillahunty and Beth Preswood of ACA/Atheist Experience fame, are getting married pretty soon. Beth Preswood asked all the catering, florists, and various other shops involved if they had a problem with serving for a gay wedding. Only those indicating not to have a problem with that got the job.

(October 18, 2011 at 9:40 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: By the dogs and all that's holey luce ...you are such a hypocrite

How so?

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(October 18, 2011 at 9:41 am)ElDinero Wrote: Well then you're a sucker. If you'd let someone fuck up your marriage, health or any other aspect of your life because of their religious views, you're a sap. So you carry on saying 'yes sir' and hoping that the people in charge of those parts of your life pray to the same imaginary prick you do, and in the meantime let the people with brains take care of it so that it never comes up in the first place.

Are you capable of constructing a post that isn't laced with profanity and condencension?

Quote:Are you capable of constructing a post that isn't laced with profanity and condencension?

And why are you so bothered about profanity? Stupid Flanders!

post #42 Wrote:I am practically numb to such treatment, it doesn't bother me. I do find some of it annoying, but not to the point that I would try to get someone in trouble or make a federal case out of it......... and ....... If I had no other alternative I would be forced to go to your superior but I am not interested in creating more drama in the world than is absolutely necessary.

Are in complete hypocritical contradictions of each other

You are making yourself look even more and more foolish an imbecilic

(October 18, 2011 at 10:02 am)lucent Wrote: Are you capable of constructing a post that isn't laced with profanity and condencension?

Nope. Luckily, that has no bearing on the validity of my point.

(October 18, 2011 at 10:13 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

post #42 Wrote:I am practically numb to such treatment, it doesn't bother me. I do find some of it annoying, but not to the point that I would try to get someone in trouble or make a federal case out of it......... and ....... If I had no other alternative I would be forced to go to your superior but I am not interested in creating more drama in the world than is absolutely necessary.

Are in complete hypocritical contradictions of each other

You are making yourself look even more and more foolish an imbecilic

They are not at all contradictory and your language is getting increasingly hyperbolic. I said in the first statement that I didn't take such treatment terribly personally, and I wouldn't want to get anyone in trouble over such treatment..my second statement said, that I would not wish to do anything, but if I had no alternative, because there was no other alternative for service, then my hand would be forced. I will also add that the service would need to be very important for me to take that step.