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  (October 16, 2011 at 12:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote:You are quite correct, it was not really supporting my argument. The aspect that I considered was that Christianity was strongly opposed by the religious leaders at the time and they could easily have proven falsehoods if there were indeed any. Such as the claims that Jesus died, there was darkness at the time of his death, the tomb was empty despite being guarded, and he appeared to many (500+) after his resurrection.Quote:In the first place, Christianity would have died an early death if what was recorded in Scripture were falsehoods  (October 18, 2011 at 12:04 pm)Carnavon Wrote:(October 16, 2011 at 12:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote:You are quite correct, it was not really supporting my argument. The aspect that I considered was that Christianity was strongly opposed by the religious leaders at the time and they could easily have proven falsehoods if there were indeed any. Such as the claims that Jesus died, there was darkness at the time of his death, the tomb was empty despite being guarded, and he appeared to many (500+) after his resurrection.Quote:In the first place, Christianity would have died an early death if what was recorded in Scripture were falsehoods but their is a problem, other than the bible. there is no proof jesus ever even existed. and a book that is written by "belivers" with no way to measure or to examine the truth. is not credible evidence.
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October 18, 2011 at 1:24 pm
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(October 18, 2011 at 12:04 pm)Carnavon Wrote: The aspect that I considered was that Christianity was strongly opposed by the religious leaders at the time and they could easily have proven falsehoods if there were indeed any. Obviously that is not so. Just check the numerous posts from theists here on this site. Their ultimate response to pure logic or scientific evidence is "goddidit". There is no reasoning with most theists and when all else fails, (as it always does) even the most reasonable ones still fall back to "goddidit". The bible says god exists and wrote the bible. That is the extent of a theist's 'proof'.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy (October 18, 2011 at 12:04 pm)Carnavon Wrote: You are quite correct, it was not really supporting my argument. The aspect that I considered was that Christianity was strongly opposed by the religious leaders at the time and they could easily have proven falsehoods if there were indeed any. Such as the claims that Jesus died, there was darkness at the time of his death, the tomb was empty despite being guarded, and he appeared to many (500+) after his resurrection. Firstly, you may be surprised to know that the classical arguments against christian god boys are actually older than the jesus narrative to begin with. They didn't have anything to prove false. Why are you assuming that they would even give a shit. Early christians weren't exactly the upper crust and cream of the crop buddy. Those things happened in a book, just like the rest of the book.
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October 18, 2011 at 2:42 pm
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(October 18, 2011 at 2:42 pm)Carnavon Wrote: Christians do not ignore the Old Testament. To the contrary, much of what is in the new testament refers to the Old Testament. If I remember correctly, did not jesus say forget the old gods and forget the old ways?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy
"The present discussion is about discussing whether facts stated in the Bible is [sic] true ..."
Then let's end this charade. Facts? How about suppositions at best, fables and parables in the middle, and outright lies on the nearer end of the likelihood spectrum. Using the bible as a factual document is like constructing a submarine using only 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.
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(October 18, 2011 at 9:46 pm)Epimethean Wrote: Using the bible as a factual document is like constructing a submarine using only 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. You mean that will not work? Damn! Well, I guess I should tear this thing up then. 
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things. -- Ned Flanders Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral. -- The Rev Lovejoy |
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