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[Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 8:43 am)Klorophyll Wrote: This is why apostasy is condemned in Islam, threatening belief in God is far worse than threatening life itself.

If your religion/belief is that fragile (you need to kill all that say there is no god) then it's really not much of a belief system to begin with.

And it probably means that you should not be here.
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#42
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
The OP. Discuss that or out of this topic.
I don't welcome terrorists or criminals into my topics.
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#43
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 10:30 am)WinterHold Wrote: The OP. Discuss that or out of this topic.
I don't welcome terrorists or criminals into my topics.

Still waiting for a response to this question:

If there is no compulsion to adhere to Islam, then tell me what happens to those born of Muslims who stray away from Islam?
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#44
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 10:39 am)Fierce Wrote:
(March 12, 2020 at 10:30 am)WinterHold Wrote: The OP. Discuss that or out of this topic.
I don't welcome terrorists or criminals into my topics.

Still waiting for a response to this question:

If there is no compulsion to adhere to Islam, then tell me what happens to those born of Muslims who stray away from Islam?

If you follow the Quran, then you will leave them alone to decide their faith.
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#45
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
Quick, go tell the others!
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#46
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 8:43 am)Klorophyll Wrote: threatening belief ....is far worse than threatening life ....
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why religions and their followers can be so dangerous to human well being.
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
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#47
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 12:25 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:
(March 12, 2020 at 8:43 am)Klorophyll Wrote: threatening belief ....is far worse than threatening life ....
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why religions and their followers can be so dangerous to human well being.

And they even say it out loud. Most grievous is that they pretend to have morals, so blinded by their religion that they can't see the fall ahead of them. Made one day we will have a world not without religion, but a world where the religious accept other religions or no religion and keep their religion to the respective temples. Shit, I am daydreaming again.
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#48
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 1:26 pm)LastPoet Wrote:
(March 12, 2020 at 12:25 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why religions and their followers can be so dangerous to human well being.

And they even say it out loud. Most grievous is that they pretend to have morals, so blinded by their religion that they can't see the fall ahead of them. Made one day we will have a world not without religion, but a world where the religious accept other religions or no religion and keep their religion to the respective temples. Shit, I am daydreaming again.

Or listening to "Imagine".

Personally, I don't buy a religion that advocates conversion at the point of a sword, or the muzzle of a gun. Kloro will claim that is not "real" islam. Perhaps it isn't. But it is most of it as practiced in the real world. Saying those muslims are theologically wrong is useless. It doesn't matter. They are actively practicing that in their daily lives. It matters not a whit that Kloro thinks that is a wrong interpretation of islam. He is fringe islam at best. The rest of islam keeps on trucking with the random killings, and gross misogyny, and terrorism, and suicide bombings and so forth  all in the name of an interpretation of islam that Kloro claims is incorrect.

So the inevitable question occurs. Does Kloro think that the actions of islam as a whole are wrong? Will he condemn the suicide loons? Stand by for some industrial grade apologetics.

And lest I be accused of singling out islam, all of the abrahamic religions are in the same boat. All of them operate on power and abuse of the vulnerable without exception. With judaism and christianity, at least we are at last starting to hold the bastards accountable. Islam is intentionally constructed so that nobody can be held accountable.

If we can go after the horrible priests, pastors, and rabbis that abuse children, why is it that we cannot hold the imams to the same standard?
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#49
RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
(March 12, 2020 at 3:23 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Or listening to "Imagine".

Personally, I don't buy a religion that advocates conversion at the point of a sword, or the muzzle of a gun. Kloro will claim that is not "real" islam. Perhaps it isn't. But it is most of it as practiced in the real world.

Practiced by whom? You misinformed ignorant? What is the proportion of extremists out of the entire Muslim population? How often - and why is apostasy applied? Just do some research to see if we really murder people because of their belief ...???

(March 12, 2020 at 3:23 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Saying those muslims are theologically wrong is useless. It doesn't matter. They are actively practicing that in their daily lives. It matters not a whit that Kloro thinks that is a wrong interpretation of islam. He is fringe islam at best. The rest of islam keeps on trucking with the random killings, and gross misogyny, and terrorism, and suicide bombings and so forth  all in the name of an interpretation of islam that Kloro claims is incorrect.

And whose interpretation of Islam should the majority take then, yours ? It's because of your ignorance and inability to nuance your ideas about Islam that there are so many interpretations. If only people can keep their mouth shut and understand, nobody would blow themselves in the name of any religion.
Qur'anic revelation is the sole path to ultimate reality. All argumentation and philosophy is an expression of arrogance and an overestimation of human cognitive ability. 

"But believe me, Cleanthes, the most natural feeling that a well-disposed mind will have on this occasion is a longing desire and expectation that God will be pleased to remove or at least to lessen this profound ignorance, by giving mankind some particular revelation, revealing the nature, attributes, and operations of the divine object of our faith." (Hume's Dialogues)


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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: There shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of religion
That's a good question. Do you consider yourself an extremist? What portion of muslims believe in what you believe..in your estimation?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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