https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-...spartanntp

Increasingly, doctors also are reporting bizarre, unsettling cases that don’t seem to follow any of the textbooks they’ve trained on. They describe patients with startlingly low oxygen levels — so low that they would normally be unconscious or near death — talking and swiping on their phones. Asymptomatic pregnant women suddenly in cardiac arrest. Patients who by all conventional measures seem to have mild disease deteriorating within minutes and dying at home.
With no clear patterns in terms of age or chronic conditions, some scientists hypothesize that at least some of these abnormalities may be explained by severe changes in patients’ blood.

OK that's disturbing. I might have to speak to my other half as she has a genetic circulation problem.

I spent a year on a blood thinner that had me full of bright blue bruises. I've been off it for just over a year now. Guess a message to the cardiologist might be in order.

Coumadin nearly killed me. Plavix just made me festive looking.

(April 22, 2020 at 6:26 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Coumadin nearly killed me. Plavix just made me festive looking.

I was on Effient.  It's a good thing blue is my favorite color as I was covered with bright blue bruises.

(April 22, 2020 at 6:49 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(April 20, 2020 at 6:26 am)Athene Wrote: Oh, no!...Do you think I'm being fenagled into veering towards the Alt Right and White Nationalism because I think Whitmer's orders are too convoluted and restrictive?

More like you're gullible, and got something wrong.  That is how alot of people end up with neo-confederate propaganda rattling around in their skulls, though.  If they were just writing the script of reality for racist dirtballs it would be less of an issue.  Like you told another poster, those fuckers are gonna do what they're gonna do - but that doesn't mean that you have to do it too.

You became a willing vehicle for the dissemination of propaganda that was ludicrous on it's face.  If you shared your thoughts on the governor who banned seeds and the people who protested her for it with others, not just here in that comment, you were spreading it in multiple directions - and you're a source that offers cover.  People who wouldn't believe a neo-confederate dirtball..would believe you.

Quote:Yes, I think people should be able to utilize their private property the way they see fit so long as they are observing social distancing guidelines and their friends/relatives in accordance to those same standards--and if people choose to peacefully protest such restrictions, I don't take issue with it. You are not going to convince me that that viewpoint is the result of programming or propaganda. Just because the majority of people we happen to see protesting appear to be of the good ole boy, right-wing persuasion that does mean does that anyone who shares that particular concern is being swayed by partisan wingnuttery. 

It's an astroturf campaign.  The protests™ very literally are propaganda.

Quote:I'm gonna let you in on secret, Gae...
I don't particularly trust the government....Surprise! No Black person with knowledge of the history of this country and a lick of any goddamned sense should, IMO.
This is not new and emerging stance for me, and I see no earthly reason to limit scrutiny and criticism to the Republicans and Trump.

I don't trust them either, and by all means, scrutinize and criticize.  It just seems to me that you should criticize them for things that they do, not things that nutballs imagine because of astroturf ads.  Had you applied an ounce of scrutiny, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.  You still aren't criticizing our government, this neo-confederate administration, for running these campaign propaganda pieces, which you bought into.

Too busy criticizing me for bringing that fact to your attention, I suppose.  Meanwhile, the wingnut welfare circuit is singing chorus.  The evil demoncrats have put us all under house arrest, and trump gonna tell em to let my people go.  He already has.  LIBERATE!

I'm critical of the thoroughly UN-IMAGINED orders which prohibit people from utilizing their personal property as they see fit, prohibit citizens from seeing family/loved ones who do not happen to live in their abode, and prohibits people from working jobs that can easily performed while practicing social distancing. Lol...Feel free to keep ignoring that though--And the the fact that, propaganda aside, some of these protesters are undoubtedly motivated by fear of losing their civil liberties and being unable to being unable to make ends meet and provide for their families--and that those fear are NOT without merit. 

Yeah, I get it...Trump is bad, m'kay? But I'm not about to be sold on the notion that he is the source of all fuckshit and propaganda in regards to the handling of this pandemic and that nothing could possibly be worse than him and his merry band of Deplorables.

Do I think states should be opening next week? No, I don't. But the intent of the orders was to prevent health care system from being overwhelmed, not indefinitely keeping Americans at home until a vaccine falls out of the sky or as means of ensuring that no one ever ever ever dies from the virus again. That cannot happen in a free society. 
At the moment, it's the Left that's on the most serious Koolaid shit in regards to that garbage, and I refuse to cosign it. You can accuse me of whatever you like.

Your response is nonsense. What you and babbling man-child @SUNGULA  are actually taking issue with is the fact that I don't share in the disturbing blindspot deriving from you guys' advanced Trump Derangement Syndrome. I have no interest in playing that stupid fucking game, because it allows Democrats to get away with way too much solely on account of being Not Trump.

There you have it. 

Continue to accuse at your leisure. In this case, I am pleased to meet your disapproval. 

Trump may be bad, but his propaganda organ is good. He isn't the source of all propaganda, but he is the source of the propaganda which you have referred to in order to buttress the suspicions you have of our government. It's a coordinated astroturf campaign. This is a fact.

Who cares about my approval, or my disapproval. Did you meet your own approval in doing that?

The intent of the orders, was to prevent people from dying. The neo confederates are asking us to die for the dow. That's the point -and we will. We, loosely. The poor will die for the dow. There's something to be suspicious of our government about, imo. The senate managed to loot the government yet again and throw money at the donor class, and having accomplished that, they wish to eliminate the continued availability of benefits. This was always the bargain that the establishment struck with alt right loons.

Quote:I'm critical of the thoroughly UN-IMAGINED orders which prohibit people from utilizing their personal property as they see fit, prohibit citizens from seeing family/loved ones who do not happen to live in their abode, and prohibits people from working jobs that can easily performed while practicing social distancing. Lol...Feel free to keep ignoring that though--And the the fact that, propaganda aside, some of these protesters are undoubtedly motivated by fear of losing their civil liberties and being unable to being unable to make ends meet and provide for their families--and that those fear are NOT without merit

So you skeptical of sound medical policy .That alone makes you worthy of dismissal as a crank ,And no those fears are just that fears and irrational ones at that. So just ignore all that and the fact the science,history and the public don't buy your bullshit .

Quote:Yeah, I get it...Trump is bad, m'kay? But I'm not about to be sold on the notion that he is the source of all fuckshit and propaganda in regards to the handling of this pandemic and that nothing could possibly be worse than him and his merry band of Deplorables.

These morons would be scorn worthy even without Trump .I have an issue with them not just their puppet masters .So this objection fails hard.

Quote:Do I think states should be opening next week? No, I don't. But the intent of the orders was to prevent health care system from being overwhelmed, not indefinitely keeping Americans at home until a vaccine falls out of the sky or as means of ensuring that no one ever ever ever dies from the virus again. That cannot happen in a free society. 
At the moment, it's the Left that's on the most serious Koolaid shit in regards to that garbage, and I refuse to cosign it. You can accuse me of whatever you like.

The crisis isn't over and medical community has spoken .So no it's you embracing kool aid shit not us.

Quote:Your response is nonsense. What you and babbling man-child @SUNGULA  are actually taking issue with is the fact that I don't share in the disturbing blindspot deriving from you guys' advanced Trump Derangement Syndrome. I have no interest in playing that stupid fucking game, because it allows Democrats to get away with way too much solely on account of being Not Trump.

Nah it's you who is the babbling child . Spewing nonsensical conspiracy crap then trying to frame criticism as "Trump Derangement Syndrome" when the slack jawed morons you have thrown your lot in are just as condemnable without trump .So kindly take your baseless finger pointing and shove it .

Quote:There you have it. 

Continue to accuse at your leisure. In this case, I am pleased to meet your disapproval. 

You mean telling the truth a truth both the medical community and 70% of Americans accept and people like you can only deny ,And frankly if you and your fellow ambulance blockers disapprove we must be doing something right .

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Athene - Hurr durr all my critics have "Trump Derangement Syndrome" .I hate science and reason and medical experts .The majority of Americans are dummy dumbs.Some people have feels so we should listen to them over the medical  experts. The evil government is coming for me 

Me- 
1. It's way too early to open .It's not even on the horizon and measures in question make sense .
2.The medical community agrees with me 
3. The history of pandemics agree with me 
4.The American public agrees with me

So again i don't give a damn what Athene and some yahoo's have to say