(May 7, 2020 at 6:59 pm)Agnostico Wrote:

(May 7, 2020 at 6:40 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: And because millions and millions and millions of people who don't die from the various strains of flu get a vaccine.

What makes you think there won't be different strains of coronavirus?

Boru

I answered your question. Now ur changing the goal posts simply to antagonize

There are already 3 strains of C19 as i mentioned already. Where will u change the goal to now...

Guys, like grow up will yas. Take it up with the docs if ur still crying about it

Covid19 is the illness. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus. Get your basic terms right before you embarass yourself by trying to school others

(May 7, 2020 at 7:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Not trying to antagonize you at all.  Simply pointing out that herd immunity, which unarguably important, isn't the whole game.  Vaccines help, and they help a LOT.

Boru

Mate i don't think u read what i posted or listen to what the docs said either. Two really simple questions then with yes or no answers... For anyone

Do u think countries should remain locked down until the vaccine arrives to provide immunity?
Or do u think countries should reopen and try for natural immunity?

Or do u think u will ignore the issue and respond with bitter hostility out of context?
The two tactics explained by the doc

I don’t think waiting until the vaccine arrives is a sustainable option, since the earliest possible time scale for a vaccine is next year. And there’s a non negligible chance that the vaccine is NEVER coming out, because we’ve been working on the vaccine for the common cold to no effect for decades. (This may be a sign that vaccines are better used for diseases that one only catches once.)

That said, several states are reopening, and the results are predictable. It looks like the key is going to be to try and find a good balance between how much we can actually go out with not fucking dying. I’m not too much of an expert, but the guidelines for a three-phase reopening the Trump Administration put out actually seem like a decent metric for once (at least for now). It’s a shame Trump himself doesn’t give a shit about his own fucking guidelines.

Why, yes, that does suck.

Quote:Mate i don't think u read what i posted or listen to what the docs said either. 

The discredited shill who has spouted nonsense and the quack who's youtube circle jerk you posted .Who's opinions are rejected outside of fox news and the right wing truther sphere .

Quote:Two really simple questions then with yes or no answers... For anyone

To a not simple stitution 

Quote:Do u think countries should remain locked down until the vaccine arrives to provide immunity?

I already answered this yes 

Quote:Or do u think countries should reopen and try for natural immunity?

No because it doesn't work 

Quote:Or do u think u will ignore the issue and respond with bitter hostility out of context?

No ones done that 

Quote:The two tactics explained by the doc

These two have received response because ones a shill who's been caught spreading misinformation and the others an unqualified quack  who has been caught straight up lying . 

(May 7, 2020 at 11:42 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Why, yes, that does suck.

Right?  Even in the best of circumstances, and even if states were following the federal guidelines or their own, which they aren't...we're still looking at a choice between shit and a shit sandwich.  The entire point of a competent federal government is to avoid putting ourselves in these situations in the first place.

I guess that was in the beforetimes, though, before it became a death cult. Too busy rounding up undesirables and stealing everything that isn't nailed down nowadays.

(May 7, 2020 at 11:42 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I don’t think waiting until the vaccine arrives is a sustainable option, since the earliest possible time scale for a vaccine is next year. And there’s a non negligible chance that the vaccine is NEVER coming out, because we’ve been working on the vaccine for the common cold to no effect for decades. (This may be a sign that vaccines are better used for diseases that one only catches once.)

That said, several states are reopening, and the results are predictable. It looks like the key is going to be to try and find a good balance between how much we can actually go out with not fucking dying. I’m not too much of an expert, but the guidelines for a three-phase reopening the Trump Administration put out actually seem like a decent metric for once (at least for now). It’s a shame Trump himself doesn’t give a shit about his own fucking guidelines.

Why, yes, that does suck.

Ah @Rev. Rye my friend u are the voice of reason. 
We would have disagreed on something before but I don't remember it. U don't hold grudges or resentment do u, same.

I heard there might be a vaccine before Xmas and recently i heard there might be one in September. 
I have no idea how they've managed to find a vaccine so quick and how they have condensed 2 years worth of trial into only 4 months
But even if it was September, could America stay in hibernation for another 4 months... How many unemployed now, over 30M i think in the USA

This may be a sign that vaccines are better used for diseases that one only catches once
The disease that mutate often is a pain. The flu is one of them. It has countless strains and returns every season as a different one or even a new one. 
One vaccine may cover a handful of strains, than another and another. So there are a bunch of flu shots. 
Doctors do their best to make an educated guess as to which strain may show up based on the past data
Its a hit and miss. We had 4 really good years then last year was a killer flu

Meningitis is another one. There was 7 strains so they came out with PCV7. 
A few years later it returned with 6 more new strains so they made the PCV13. Interesting to see what next

For the people at risk, the sick and elderly, they will need support. So many of them dies in retirement homes here when half of the residents would catch it and die.
I heard a suggestion that workers could do 5 or 7 days at a time where they would sleep at a hotel in quarantine, cos it was them that were accidentally bringing it in

Hospital beds will need constant monitoring. If there is a surge then some areas may need to lockdown again to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the medical system

We are starting to slowly open up so we'll see how it all goes

Quote:Ah @Rev. Rye my friend u are the voice of reason. 
We would have disagreed on something before but I don't remember it. U don't hold grudges or resentment do u, same.

I heard there might be a vaccine before Xmas and recently i heard there might be one in September. 
I have no idea how they've managed to find a vaccine so quick and how they have condensed 2 years worth of trial into only 4 months
But even if it was September, could America stay in hibernation for another 4 months... How many unemployed now, over 30M i think in the USA

Accept as he article i linked earlier points out it's not mutating anywhere near as fast as the flu . And it's return can be dealt with by updates .The US government needs to step up it's support of the unemployed not go against the science and reopen to quickly 

Quote:This may be a sign that vaccines are better used for diseases that one only catches once
The disease that mutate often is a pain. The flu is one of them. It has countless strains and returns every season as a different one or even a new one. 
One vaccine may cover a handful of strains, than another and another. So there are a bunch of flu shots. 
Doctors do their best to make an educated guess as to which strain may show up based on the past data
Its a hit and miss. We had 4 really good years then last year was a killer flu

Already linked an article debunking his concern earlier and vaccine models are for flu are highly accurate .But as i said Covid is different then the flu 

Quote:Meningitis is another one. There was 7 strains so they came out with PCV7. 
A few years later it returned with 6 more new strains so they made the PCV13. Interesting to see what next

Which Covid is nothing like 

Quote:For the people at risk, the sick and elderly, they will need support. So many of them dies in retirement homes here when half of the residents would catch it and die.
I heard a suggestion that workers could do 5 or 7 days at a time where they would sleep at a hotel in quarantine, cos it was them that were accidentally bringing it in

Or we can keep up he lockdown 

Quote:Hospital beds will need constant monitoring. If there is a surge then some areas may need to lockdown again to flatten the curve and not overwhelm the medical system

Which is why he lockdown needs to continue 

Quote:We are starting to slowly open up so we'll see how it all goes

It will go badly 

This whole dichotomy between waiting for a vaccine and dying for the dow is absurd. That has to be said. Those were never our only options and they aren't our only options now. The more we fuck up, though, the further we push ourselves to that circumstance.

The herd immunity song and dance is being employed as a euphemism for acceptable death. Acceptable, so the claim goes, to prevent even worse economic misery. Sweden never shut down at all, this didn't prevent their economy from cratering.

(May 8, 2020 at 4:16 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: This whole dichotomy between waiting for a vaccine and dying for the dow is absurd.  That has to be said.  Those were never our only options and they aren't our only options now.  The more we fuck up, though, the further we push ourselves to that circumstance.

The herd immunity song and dance is being employed as a euphemism for acceptable death.  Acceptable, so the claim goes, to prevent even worse economic misery.  Sweden never shut down at all, this didn't prevent their economy from cratering.

And they are now suffer a sizable spike in infections .Demonstrating to me the failure of the herd immunity model .While the lockdown model has massively reduced the estimated casualties

https://www.worldometers.info/coronaviru...ry/sweden/

Suicides from lockdown in my state                              Chinese flu death ratio in my state
             2 per day                                         0.25 per day



Unemployed from lockdown in my state                    Number of people in ICU in my state
               250,000                                                     6


Journalists, politicians and people in the public sector have no concerns as they're still getting paid
Trump said lets open and the auto NPC response is to oppose. Many of these people too

The issue has become just sooo political, its actually sickening. 
Doctors and scientists whose opinions don't fall in line with the vaccine plan are censored and taken off facebook, youtube, etc

Even doctors that are just presenting data that doesn't match the agenda are ostracized and eliminated. This isn't science
It's as anti-science and dogmatic as a religion now. What Dr Fauci says is infallible and anyone showing dissent will be sent to the gulag

Luckily Australia is waking up and the world looks like its following