(May 9, 2020 at 7:16 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(May 9, 2020 at 2:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Let me add, Communism isn't about oppressing religion, but any kind of dissent. There are Christian Churches in Russia, and even China, and Cuba has tons of Catholic Churches.

As long as you tow the party line in any of those states, odds are they will leave you alone. 

As an atheist, being as vocal as I am about government, I would be quickly arrested or murdered by those states if I lived in any of them.

Communism doesn't say any such thing . Authoritarianism yes but Communism isn't inherently authoritarian .

It just turns out that way ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

(May 9, 2020 at 7:18 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(May 9, 2020 at 7:16 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Communism doesn't say any such thing . Authoritarianism yes but Communism isn't inherently authoritarian .

It just turns out that way ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Communism has never lead to Authoritarianism because no ones ever made an actual effort at Communism.All the examples your about to trot out are either examples of state capitalism (which is awful)

(May 9, 2020 at 7:27 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(May 9, 2020 at 7:18 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: It just turns out that way ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Communism has never lead to Authoritarianism  because no ones ever made an actual effort at Communism.All the examples your about to trot out are either examples of state capitalism (which is awful)

Oh, nice shiney quibble. Do they come in other colors?

(May 9, 2020 at 8:15 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(May 9, 2020 at 7:27 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Communism has never lead to Authoritarianism  because no ones ever made an actual effort at Communism.All the examples your about to trot out are either examples of state capitalism (which is awful)

Oh, nice shiney quibble. Do they come in other colors?

It's not a quibble it's a central distinction .State capitalism is a whole different system

1. One it retains Hierarchies (They replaced the capitalist with a new type of capitalist )

2. It isn't worker controlled h mans of production

3. All the supposed communist states retained base commodity production

(May 9, 2020 at 8:25 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(May 9, 2020 at 8:15 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Oh, nice shiney quibble. Do they come in other colors?

It's not a quibble it's a central distinction .State capitalism is a whole different system

1. One it retains Hierarchies (They replaced the capitalist with a new type of capitalist )

2. It isn't worker controlled h mans of production

3. All the supposed communist states retained base  commodity  production

LOL, duck and weave if you like, it's still a quibble.

(May 9, 2020 at 8:42 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(May 9, 2020 at 8:25 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: It's not a quibble it's a central distinction .State capitalism is a whole different system

1. One it retains Hierarchies (They replaced the capitalist with a new type of capitalist )

2. It isn't worker controlled h mans of production

3. All the supposed communist states retained base  commodity  production

LOL, duck and weave if you like, it's still a quibble.

Seriously just gave 3 clear examples of how a state capitalist is different from Communism . Next you'll be telling me a constitutional monarchy is the same as feudalism .......quibble seriously  

(May 9, 2020 at 5:56 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(May 7, 2020 at 4:47 pm)masoni Wrote: he says,you shall not kill,but he kills.
he contradicts himself

No, he says that you shall not commit murder. God has made it very clear that the penalty for sin is death, therefor transgressing a law punishable by death is not murder.

christians typically translate this commandment as thou shalt not murder, and then define murder as unjustified killing.this is how they justify war, death penalty, and eating meat. but they usually don't realize it also causes the commandment to become meaningless because everyone agrees unjustified killing is unjustified.  it's like saying bad things are bad, it's definitionally true.

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(May 9, 2020 at 6:32 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(May 9, 2020 at 5:13 pm)masoni Wrote: 8:12
"I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off. "
finger tips mean our fingerprints in the verse talking about the resurrection. 

Here's another translation:
[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

how is something so simple so capable of creating so many translations?

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Nothing exists in Sura 8 that says so.
Neither such thing exists in Sura 12

But I think you are just copy-pasting from some propaganda site that doesn't even know what the Quran contains, but to give you the benefit of the doubt, I think I know where a similar verse is located:

Sura 47, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

Quote:( 4 )   So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens. That [is the command]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken vengeance upon them [Himself], but [He ordered armed struggle] to test some of you by means of others. And those who are killed in the cause of Allah - never will He waste their deeds.

You are bringing me a war verse, and apply it to peace times?

https://quran.com/8

Fascism is Right wing authorianism with strong notions of Race, Ethnic identity , Gender roles and Class that are strongly tied to nationalism Fascism doesn't really have a particular economic theory and most Facist  state have a mixed economy though universally they have a comempt for organized labour  . Any social programs are tied to racialism or nationalism or are a cynical attempt to undermine their Communist rivals . 


Communism is a Left wing ideology who's major premise is workers control or full independent  ownership of the means of production. It's Anti Hierarchy ,Anti Racialist , Anti Colonialism as well as  Anti Nationalist .

(May 9, 2020 at 5:25 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: lol, three major world systems and they get what, one minute each? Such bullshit simplistic thinking.

To be fair (not that i would expect such a thing here) i did say it was a simple explanation to a complex topic

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(May 9, 2020 at 5:30 pm)masoni Wrote: again, i mean the god of these ancient books.
that doesn't mean i believe in god, but it means i'm trying to clarify the bloody ideas that the ancients wrote and put in useless books, full of violence, brutality and barbarism.

Understood

(May 9, 2020 at 11:19 pm)masoni Wrote:

(May 9, 2020 at 5:56 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: No, he says that you shall not commit murder. God has made it very clear that the penalty for sin is death, therefor transgressing a law punishable by death is not murder.

christians typically translate this commandment as thou shalt not murder, and then define murder as unjustified killing.this is how they justify war, death penalty, and eating meat. but they usually don't realize it also causes the commandment to become meaningless because everyone agrees unjustified killing is unjustified.  it's like saying bad things are bad, it's definitionally true.

*emphasis mine*
It's not a translation, it's what the bible literally says.

Matthew 19
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”

Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 
19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

- Matthew 19:18