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RE: God is a Mass Murderer
May 9, 2020 at 7:18 pm
(May 9, 2020 at 7:16 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (May 9, 2020 at 2:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Let me add, Communism isn't about oppressing religion, but any kind of dissent. There are Christian Churches in Russia, and even China, and Cuba has tons of Catholic Churches.
As long as you tow the party line in any of those states, odds are they will leave you alone.
As an atheist, being as vocal as I am about government, I would be quickly arrested or murdered by those states if I lived in any of them. Communism doesn't say any such thing . Authoritarianism yes but Communism isn't inherently authoritarian .
It just turns out that way ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
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May 9, 2020 at 7:27 pm
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(May 9, 2020 at 7:18 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: (May 9, 2020 at 7:16 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Communism doesn't say any such thing . Authoritarianism yes but Communism isn't inherently authoritarian .
It just turns out that way ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Communism has never lead to Authoritarianism because no ones ever made an actual effort at Communism.All the examples your about to trot out are either examples of state capitalism (which is awful)
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RE: God is a Mass Murderer
May 9, 2020 at 8:15 pm
(May 9, 2020 at 7:27 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (May 9, 2020 at 7:18 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: It just turns out that way ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Communism has never lead to Authoritarianism because no ones ever made an actual effort at Communism.All the examples your about to trot out are either examples of state capitalism (which is awful)
Oh, nice shiney quibble. Do they come in other colors?
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RE: God is a Mass Murderer
May 9, 2020 at 8:25 pm
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(May 9, 2020 at 8:15 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: (May 9, 2020 at 7:27 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Communism has never lead to Authoritarianism because no ones ever made an actual effort at Communism.All the examples your about to trot out are either examples of state capitalism (which is awful)
Oh, nice shiney quibble. Do they come in other colors? It's not a quibble it's a central distinction .State capitalism is a whole different system
1. One it retains Hierarchies (They replaced the capitalist with a new type of capitalist )
2. It isn't worker controlled h mans of production
3. All the supposed communist states retained base commodity production
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RE: God is a Mass Murderer
May 9, 2020 at 8:42 pm
(May 9, 2020 at 8:25 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: (May 9, 2020 at 8:15 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Oh, nice shiney quibble. Do they come in other colors? It's not a quibble it's a central distinction .State capitalism is a whole different system
1. One it retains Hierarchies (They replaced the capitalist with a new type of capitalist )
2. It isn't worker controlled h mans of production
3. All the supposed communist states retained base commodity production LOL, duck and weave if you like, it's still a quibble.
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RE: God is a Mass Murderer
May 9, 2020 at 10:05 pm
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(May 9, 2020 at 8:42 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: (May 9, 2020 at 8:25 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: It's not a quibble it's a central distinction .State capitalism is a whole different system
1. One it retains Hierarchies (They replaced the capitalist with a new type of capitalist )
2. It isn't worker controlled h mans of production
3. All the supposed communist states retained base commodity production LOL, duck and weave if you like, it's still a quibble. Seriously just gave 3 clear examples of how a state capitalist is different from Communism . Next you'll be telling me a constitutional monarchy is the same as feudalism .......quibble seriously 
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RE: God is a Mass Murderer
May 9, 2020 at 11:19 pm
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RE: God is a Mass Murderer
May 10, 2020 at 12:02 am
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Fascism is Right wing authorianism with strong notions of Race, Ethnic identity , Gender roles and Class that are strongly tied to nationalism Fascism doesn't really have a particular economic theory and most Facist state have a mixed economy though universally they have a comempt for organized labour . Any social programs are tied to racialism or nationalism or are a cynical attempt to undermine their Communist rivals .
Communism is a Left wing ideology who's major premise is workers control or full independent ownership of the means of production. It's Anti Hierarchy ,Anti Racialist , Anti Colonialism as well as Anti Nationalist .
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RE: God is a Mass Murderer
May 10, 2020 at 12:05 am
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(May 9, 2020 at 5:25 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: lol, three major world systems and they get what, one minute each? Such bullshit simplistic thinking.
To be fair (not that i would expect such a thing here) i did say it was a simple explanation to a complex topic
(May 9, 2020 at 5:30 pm)masoni Wrote: again, i mean the god of these ancient books.
that doesn't mean i believe in god, but it means i'm trying to clarify the bloody ideas that the ancients wrote and put in useless books, full of violence, brutality and barbarism.
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RE: God is a Mass Murderer
May 10, 2020 at 12:53 am
(May 9, 2020 at 11:19 pm)masoni Wrote: (May 9, 2020 at 5:56 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: No, he says that you shall not commit murder. God has made it very clear that the penalty for sin is death, therefor transgressing a law punishable by death is not murder.
christians typically translate this commandment as thou shalt not murder, and then define murder as unjustified killing.this is how they justify war, death penalty, and eating meat. but they usually don't realize it also causes the commandment to become meaningless because everyone agrees unjustified killing is unjustified. it's like saying bad things are bad, it's definitionally true. *emphasis mine*
It's not a translation, it's what the bible literally says.
Matthew 19
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’
19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
- Matthew 19:18
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