(June 23, 2020 at 2:47 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

(June 23, 2020 at 1:13 am)WinterHold Wrote: God told humanity about the truth of the cosmos in the Quran; that it is "expanding"; so we know that after Pluto there are billions of other planets beyond our reach. It's an expanding sky; after all, with God alone knowing its limit.

I find it strange that you expect the Quran to do your homework for you.

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Ironically, even if you tried to count, your limited storage will run out.

    *Reads WinterHold's response....... Re-reads WinterHold's response slowly a second time..... *

 *Bursts out laughing and startles co-workers...

 Okay, lets get this straight.

You make the claim that your religious book has useful, valid scientific information but only AFTER science has done the 'Hard yards' of correlating all the actual evidence and data.

When asked about future, currently unverified information that science hopes to uncover you seem all;

    "Nope! Figure that one out for your self!"

   So, I ask again, what future predictions does your book make about science matters and is/are any of them about Pluto?

*Like the fact that further analysis of the images regarding said distant body determin that it coalesced 'Quickly' and hence was 'Hot' with a liquid interior for quite some time.

    *See Phil Plait's latest "Bad Astronomy" post on 'Scyfi wire' for the proper/professional story.

I don't know how can I rephrase that the Quran said that the heaven is expanding.
It is not a competition, rather a clear statement that scientific discovery approved as a fact.

Isn't this what non-Muslims were asking for regarding the Quran?

I don't care about what Pluto or Frudo has to show. Islam never said that scientific discovery is forbidden; that's Christianity and the Church, not us Muslims.

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(June 23, 2020 at 6:07 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.


 Oh look! They've just scientifically verified the 'Penrose effect.

We're one step closer to turning black holes into (Effectivly) perpetual motion machines.

I'm hearing crickets again from the 'Quran corner'.....

She's insisting on thinking that Islam prosecuted scientific discovery.
Like......

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(June 23, 2020 at 9:49 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: OFC he's lying for big mo, islamists have taken to the same types of apologetics that christians have found success with, not just because they find themselves competing for souls in a zero sum game with christians, but also because dominionists and islamists both realize that science holds an authority that their religion has lost.

This has always been Winters schtick, here, and he's never strayed from those topics which his witch doctors have consistently groomed him on.  If you read through the views of the movement that's produced the creature we see before us you'll only be even more disappointed in Winter, because none of his pet topics are even his own brand of crazy.  Simply something that a radical sectarian has told him, subject for subject and word for word...that he repeats to us.

The moment I resort to trickery and lies, is the moment I declare that I'm not even a Muslim.
I left both for you.

Quote:The moment I resort to trickery and lies, is the moment I declare that I'm not even a Muslim.
I left both for you.

Well get declaring then and left nothing

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Quote:I don't know how can I rephrase that the Quran said that the heaven is expanding.

Accept it doesn't 

Quote:It is not a competition, rather a clear statement that scientific discovery approved as a fact.

Nope

Quote:Isn't this what non-Muslims were asking for regarding the Quran?

And you failed 

Quote:I don't care about what Pluto or Frudo has to show. Islam never said that scientific discovery is forbidden; that's Christianity and the Church, not us Muslims.

False

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Quote:She's insisting on thinking that Islam prosecuted scientific discovery.
Like......

It does

(June 23, 2020 at 2:47 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

(June 23, 2020 at 1:13 am)WinterHold Wrote: God told humanity about the truth of the cosmos in the Quran; that it is "expanding"; so we know that after Pluto there are billions of other planets beyond our reach. It's an expanding sky; after all, with God alone knowing its limit.

I find it strange that you expect the Quran to do your homework for you.

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Ironically, even if you tried to count, your limited storage will run out.

    *Reads WinterHold's response....... Re-reads WinterHold's response slowly a second time..... *

 *Bursts out laughing and startles co-workers...

 Okay, lets get this straight.

You make the claim that your religious book has useful, valid scientific information but only AFTER science has done the 'Hard yards' of correlating all the actual evidence and data.

When asked about future, currently unverified information that science hopes to uncover you seem all;

    "Nope! Figure that one out for your self!"

   So, I ask again, what future predictions does your book make about science matters and is/are any of them about Pluto?

*Like the fact that further analysis of the images regarding said distant body determin that it coalesced 'Quickly' and hence was 'Hot' with a liquid interior for quite some time.

    *See Phil Plait's latest "Bad Astronomy" post on 'Scyfi wire' for the proper/professional story.

I'd like to know Atlas' response to the bolded too, as I've asked him that myseof with nary a response.

(June 24, 2020 at 12:53 am)WinterHold Wrote: I don't know how can I rephrase that the Quran said that the heaven is expanding.
It is not a competition, rather a clear statement that scientific discovery approved as a fact.

Isn't this what non-Muslims were asking for regarding the Quran?

I don't care about what Pluto or Frudo has to show. Islam never said that scientific discovery is forbidden; that's Christianity and the Church, not us Muslims.

Yes, it's clear you're quoting something from your book of worship.

It's also clear that what you're quoting and the science you're tieing it to are all very old news.

My queston, that you are either not understanding or now deliberately ignoring is (Again).

What future discovery is awaiting science that you Quran has already detailed.

THAT is the arrow supposedly in your quiver with which to present to we atheists (And the world in general) as something to vanquish our satire.

Cheers.

Not at work.

(June 24, 2020 at 5:50 am)Nomad Wrote:

(June 23, 2020 at 2:47 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.


    *Reads WinterHold's response....... Re-reads WinterHold's response slowly a second time..... *

 *Bursts out laughing and startles co-workers...

 Okay, lets get this straight.

You make the claim that your religious book has useful, valid scientific information but only AFTER science has done the 'Hard yards' of correlating all the actual evidence and data.

When asked about future, currently unverified information that science hopes to uncover you seem all;

    "Nope! Figure that one out for your self!"

   So, I ask again, what future predictions does your book make about science matters and is/are any of them about Pluto?

*Like the fact that further analysis of the images regarding said distant body determin that it coalesced 'Quickly' and hence was 'Hot' with a liquid interior for quite some time.

    *See Phil Plait's latest "Bad Astronomy" post on 'Scyfi wire' for the proper/professional story.

I'd like to know Atlas' response to the bolded too, as I've asked him that myseof with nary a response.

You obviously mistake the Quran with an article about Nostradamus.
Please stay on track with what I answered with.

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(June 24, 2020 at 7:07 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(June 24, 2020 at 12:53 am)WinterHold Wrote: I don't know how can I rephrase that the Quran said that the heaven is expanding.
It is not a competition, rather a clear statement that scientific discovery approved as a fact.

Isn't this what non-Muslims were asking for regarding the Quran?

I don't care about what Pluto or Frudo has to show. Islam never said that scientific discovery is forbidden; that's Christianity and the Church, not us Muslims.

Yes, it's clear you're quoting something from your book of worship.

It's also clear that what you're quoting and the science you're tieing it to are all very old news.

My queston, that you are either not understanding or now deliberately ignoring is (Again).

What future discovery is awaiting science that you Quran has already detailed.

THAT is the arrow supposedly in your quiver with which to present to we atheists (And the world in general) as something to vanquish our satire.

Cheers.

Not at work.

No. Jumping from your previous point which was about Pluto -or Frudo- to convert the Quran into an article about Nostradamus will not work as an argument.

Again I repeat my original argument:

Quote:The Quran states explicitly in this verse that the universe is expanding:

Quote: Wrote:Sura 51, The Quran:
https://quran.com/51/47?translations=

Sahih International
And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.

Thank you.

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The reader can see how a very simple "Quranic verse" was met by demands of prediction; which proves the type of mentality I'm confronted with.

If science decided that nostradamus really was pyschic, some islamist nut like you would have claimed that the magic book predicted psychic abilities. This is, in fact, the claim that scientific miracle nutters make. That magic book predicted the contents of modern science, at whatever present moment happens to be modern.

That's the danger of trying to assert that magic book contains scientific miracles. Science declares this and that with provisional certitude which can be, and has been, revoked. Magic book, for centuries, has run with galens description of human development. The scientific miracles crowd still runs with it.

The authors..unfortunately, were as wrong as galen was. This has lead some to make a revision to the unalterable word of an omniscient god. It's not about embryology anymore - but genetics. Either you nutters, or god...doesn't know what they're talking about. Which would you prefer it be...as a muslim?

Wholly aside from questions about whether you would prefer to be the ignorant party in this transaction - have you given any thought the the abject stupidity of these lies with the crowd here at af? Scientific evangelism is popular with your set because it works on christians. How many christians do you think you're reaching here? If you're determined to lie for big mo, you should probably do it someplace that those lies have been designed to stick. It's a simple issue of practicality and effect. You might have noticed that the folks here aren't particularly awed at the majesty and glory of allah by watching you twist your own scrotum into knots, and a rational person who's committed to doing so might find their efforts better rewarded with a crowd that's already primed to believe in this filth.

Or...you could drop it and get right with allah - but I don't think that you will.

(June 24, 2020 at 7:35 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If science decided that nostradamus [...]

Please stick to the OP; answer it instead of opening side-arguments about "if this..."and"if that...".

(June 24, 2020 at 7:27 am)WinterHold Wrote: No. Jumping from your previous point which was about Pluto -or Frudo- to convert the Quran into an article about Nostradamus will not work as an argument.

Again I repeat my original argument:

Quote:The Quran states explicitly in this verse that the universe is expanding:

Thank you.

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The reader can see how a very simple "Quranic verse" was met by demands of prediction; which proves the type of mentality I'm confronted with.

Yes.... again, we've gone over this multiple time now.

I understand the ideas you are presenting.

It appears you are not understanding the words I am typing.

Forget about my previous posts regarding science, ignore my previous posts involving astronomy.

Please read my following lines carefully;

      "What future predictions does your book make about science?"

In your next reply to me (If any) please acknowledge you understand the words highlighted above.

Cheers.

Not at work.

(June 24, 2020 at 7:39 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(June 24, 2020 at 7:35 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If science decided that nostradamus [...]

Please stick to the OP; answer it instead of opening side-arguments about "if this..."and"if that...".

Already addressed your initial idiocy.  If you would prefer to saddle god with the mistakes scientists make in past or present, be my guest.  

It's only going to give we godless heathens more evidence that you and your god are both worthless. I can't imagine why you'd want to do so much work to accomplish that, as a muslim.

(June 24, 2020 at 7:48 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:

(June 24, 2020 at 7:27 am)WinterHold Wrote: No. Jumping from your previous point which was about Pluto -or Frudo- to convert the Quran into an article about Nostradamus will not work as an argument.

Again I repeat my original argument:



Thank you.

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The reader can see how a very simple "Quranic verse" was met by demands of prediction; which proves the type of mentality I'm confronted with.

Yes.... again, we've gone over this multiple time now.

I understand the ideas you are presenting.

It appears you are not understanding the words I am typing.

Forget about my previous posts regarding science, ignore my previous posts involving astronomy.

Please read my following lines carefully;

      "What future predictions does your book make about science?"

In your next reply to me (If any) please acknowledge you understand the words highlighted above.

Cheers.

Not at work.

Not to mention it doesn't do what he claims