(June 30, 2020 at 1:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(June 30, 2020 at 1:36 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: The protestors were marching in the neighborhood.  Not tiptoeing through Karen and Kyle's tulips.  

Are you saying I can go out in my yard and point a gun at anyone who happens to be walking by?  I have a hunch that even here in Texas that could land my butt in a jail cell.

Of course, I mean, we do live in a country where a black man with a legal permit for a firearm gets murdered in front of his kid in his car trying to do the right thing and show his permit. So of course white people have that luxury. 

White people are "defending themselves" when they play Rambo. Black people don't have the right to say "I don't want to die" even when unarmed.

Tonto, " I fully support your right to oppress me. Just make it look like you care."

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In related news The 80s rock band Foreigner put out a new song, "Country Club Hero".


And just so we are clear, I was agreeing with you and being sarcastic to the person you responded to.

My point was that Lek says the protestors were trespassing on Karen and Kyle's property.  Unless they own the whole damn neighborhood, including the street, it's not their property.

(June 30, 2020 at 1:36 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(June 30, 2020 at 1:26 pm)Lek Wrote: I can understand some of the noise you're making concerning these people pointing weapons at demonstrators who trespass on their property, but why doesn't anybody ever point out the evil and sense of entitlement of those who murder innocent people in streets with impunity every day.  I see no marches or demonstrations for action against these murders who terrorize city neighborhoods, causing innocent people to hide out in fear in their homes at night.  I'm definitely holding on to my gun.

The protestors were marching in the neighborhood.  Not tiptoeing through Karen and Kyle's tulips.  

Are you saying I can go out in my yard and point a gun at anyone who happens to be walking by?  I have a hunch that even here in Texas that could land my butt in a jail cell.

Having not seen the confrontation - I cançt say one way or the other -

But



Years ago when 7.62 x 39 ammo became widely and cheaply available (Russian ammo) I bought a couple Russian SKS rifles. To those not in the know an SKS is a Soviet "home guard" rifle very simular to the AK47.  Big difference being a fixed 10 round magazine. I had mine fitted with a fixed 30 round. So to the uneducated it looked like an AK47.

I was walking back from my firing range out behind the barn carrying the rifle barrel down  - to find a carload of Jehovahs withnesses on my doorstep.

As soon as I realized who they were I told them to vacate immediately. They wanted to keep talking and convince me that I needed to hear what they had to say.

I yelled in my loudest voice (all the while keeping the barrel of the rifle pointed at my feet) GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE...I was totally in charge of myself and was being verbally aggressive to get them to comply... I did not walk towards them or make any threatening gestures.

They rushed to their car - and left.

45 minutes later the state police (not county) showed up. (I was washing my bike in shorts and flip flops)

The JWs said I was "brandishing a machine gun".


The State boy got a chuckle out of it...


To some people - merely holding a gun is "brandishing".

(June 30, 2020 at 1:57 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(June 30, 2020 at 1:36 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: The protestors were marching in the neighborhood.  Not tiptoeing through Karen and Kyle's tulips.  

Are you saying I can go out in my yard and point a gun at anyone who happens to be walking by?  I have a hunch that even here in Texas that could land my butt in a jail cell.

Having not seen the confrontation - I cançt say one way or the other -

But



Years ago when 7.62 x 39 ammo became widely and cheaply available (Russian ammo) I bought a couple Russuan SKS rifles. To those not in the know an+ SKS is a Soviet "home guard" rifle very simular to the AK47.  Big difference being a fixed 10 round magazine. I had mine fitted with a fixed 30 round. So to the uneducated it looked like an AK47.

I was walking back from my firing range out behind the barn carrying the rifle barrel down  - to find a carload of Jehovas withnesses on my doorstep.

As soon as I realized who they were I told them to vacate immediately. They wanted to keep talking and convince me that I needed to hear what they had to say.

I yelled in my loudest voice (all the while keeping the barrel of the rifle pointed at my feet) GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE...I was totally in charge of myself and was being verbally aggressive to get them to comply... I did not walk towards them or make any threatening gestures.

They rushed to their car - and left.

45 minutes later the state police (not county) showed up. (I was washing my bike in shorts and flip flops)

The JWs said I was "brandishing a machine gun".


The State boy got a chuckle out of it...


To some people - merely holding a gun is "brandishing".

I get that.  But those two entitled knuckleheads were pointing guns at people who were in the neighborhood.  Not in their yard.  Not in their house.  Not on their patio.  Not in their pool.  In the damn neighborhood.  Pointing a gun at someone is a threat and should be handled as such.  

Those two weren't just holding their weapons.  Unless Karen always holds hers at arm's length in front of her and pointing - not at the ground, not at the sky - to the front of her where people are walking in the neighborhood.

(June 30, 2020 at 1:51 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(June 30, 2020 at 1:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Of course, I mean, we do live in a country where a black man with a legal permit for a firearm gets murdered in front of his kid in his car trying to do the right thing and show his permit. So of course white people have that luxury. 

White people are "defending themselves" when they play Rambo. Black people don't have the right to say "I don't want to die" even when unarmed.

Tonto, " I fully support your right to oppress me. Just make it look like you care."

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In related news The 80s rock band Foreigner put out a new song, "Country Club Hero".


And just so we are clear, I was agreeing with you and being sarcastic to the person you responded to.

My point was that Lek says the protestors were trespassing on Karen and Kyle's property.  Unless they own the whole damn neighborhood, including the street, it's not their property.

Even if someone was walking across their lawn without permission, that is not worth a death sentence. 

Ted Bundy deserved what he got. My having to cut through yards to get to a strip mall to go to a Chinese restaurant or gas station does not deserve death. 

It was the middle of the day, tons of cameras recording. That couple had nothing to fear. They simply didn't like times changing.

I am agreeing with you. Even if they were trespassing on Karen' and Kyle's property, context matters. And in the middle of the day in the context of a protest, is not the same as someone breaking into your house to rob you in the middle of the night.

Karen and Kyle were simply pissed that black people had enough abuse and wanted to say "stop abusing us."

(June 30, 2020 at 1:51 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(June 30, 2020 at 1:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Of course, I mean, we do live in a country where a black man with a legal permit for a firearm gets murdered in front of his kid in his car trying to do the right thing and show his permit. So of course white people have that luxury. 

White people are "defending themselves" when they play Rambo. Black people don't have the right to say "I don't want to die" even when unarmed.

Tonto, " I fully support your right to oppress me. Just make it look like you care."

---

In related news The 80s rock band Foreigner put out a new song, "Country Club Hero".


And just so we are clear, I was agreeing with you and being sarcastic to the person you responded to.

My point was that Lek says the protestors were trespassing on Karen and Kyle's property.  Unless they own the whole damn neighborhood, including the street, it's not their property.

Every single news report is saying the protestors were using a private street and may have broken a gate to access it.  They were bypassing blockades that were set up on public streets to block access to the mayor’s house, which was where they wanted to protest.

Boru

(June 30, 2020 at 2:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 30, 2020 at 1:51 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: My point was that Lek says the protestors were trespassing on Karen and Kyle's property.  Unless they own the whole damn neighborhood, including the street, it's not their property.

Every single news report is saying the protestors were using a private street and may have broken a gate to access it.  They were bypassing blockades that were set up on public streets to block access to the mayor’s house, which was where they wanted to protest.

Boru

I don't think the couple in question are the security team for the neighborhood or for the mayor.

As for knocking down the blockades you mention, that's a law enforcement matter.

Nothing will happen to them.  They are uber-wealthy attorneys so they get a pass.

(June 30, 2020 at 12:59 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(June 30, 2020 at 11:51 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Any competent cat burglar won't break glass, so the first idea people have that there's in intruder in the house is when they have a gun stuck in their face.

Utter fabricated bullshit.

You have watched wayyyyy too many episodes of The Man from Uncle......

How are you going to break into a house you have never been in before - not knowing if there is an alarm system, dogs or simply an insomniac with a .357?


Short answer - you ain't.

If the dog barks or the alarm goes off, you run. Not hard.

(June 30, 2020 at 2:36 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(June 30, 2020 at 2:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Every single news report is saying the protestors were using a private street and may have broken a gate to access it.  They were bypassing blockades that were set up on public streets to block access to the mayor’s house, which was where they wanted to protest.

Boru

I don't think the couple in question are the security team for the neighborhood or for the mayor.

As for knocking down the blockades you mention, that's a law enforcement matter.

Nothing will happen to them.  They are uber-wealthy attorneys so they get a pass.

^^^^^ That about sums it up.

(June 30, 2020 at 2:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Every single news report is saying the protestors were using a private street and may have broken a gate to access it.  They were bypassing blockades that were set up on public streets to block access to the mayor’s house, which was where they wanted to protest.

Boru

The lawyers are claiming the streets were "private", meaning they were in an enclave. Status of such is dubious.

(June 30, 2020 at 2:36 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(June 30, 2020 at 2:14 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Every single news report is saying the protestors were using a private street and may have broken a gate to access it.  They were bypassing blockades that were set up on public streets to block access to the mayor’s house, which was where they wanted to protest.

Boru

I don't think the couple in question are the security team for the neighborhood or for the mayor.

As for knocking down the blockades you mention, that's a law enforcement matter.

Nothing will happen to them.  They are uber-wealthy attorneys so they get a pass.

What the homeowners did was stupid. If they were that fearful, they should have stayed inside and locked the doors.

No one’s saying the protestors knocked down the blockades. Reports are a little contradictory, but they MAY have broken a locked gate to get access to private property as a way of getting around the barriers.

I agree that the McCloskey’s are unlikely to be charged with anything. Not because they are wealthy lawyers, but because they don’t appear (at this point) to have broken any laws.

Boru