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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
July 2, 2020 at 9:51 am
(July 1, 2020 at 12:48 pm)WinterHold Wrote: What's funnier is that you ask for an English translation of the Quran before 1929.
Even though English did not become a "global language" or "lingua franca " until WW2:
https://english.stackexchange.com/questi...e-and-when
WW2 ended in 1939.
edit:
WW2 ended in 1945
Your request is wrong both semantically and logically.
What's funny is that there were English translations of the Quran before 1929 and none of them used the word 'expand'.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
July 2, 2020 at 2:23 pm
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(July 2, 2020 at 9:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: (July 1, 2020 at 12:48 pm)WinterHold Wrote: What's funnier is that you ask for an English translation of the Quran before 1929.
Even though English did not become a "global language" or "lingua franca " until WW2:
https://english.stackexchange.com/questi...e-and-when
WW2 ended in 1939.
edit:
WW2 ended in 1945
Your request is wrong both semantically and logically.
What's funny is that there were English translations of the Quran before 1929 and none of them used the word 'expand'.
It's neither credible or accurate translations until English became global.
Take this example from the 18th century translation of George Sale:
Quote:CHAPTER XXX.
ENTITLED, THE GREEKS;q REVEALED AT MECCA.r
IN THE NAME OF THE MOST MERCIFUL GOD.
A. L. M.s THE Greeks have been overcome by the Persians,t
While the literal Arabic to English -and the original verse- does not even mention neither Greeks nor Persians :
Quote:Sura 30, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh
( 1 ) Alif, Lam, Meem.
( 2 ) The Byzantines have been defeated
English translations were very poor and very wrong until English became a famous global language, and native Muslims who are familiar with the language began to translate into it.
That's why I insist that your request for an old translation to English is quite strange, I mean if old English translator got simple verses like this wrong; added and forged the original text even; then how do you expect it to give you an honest and authentic meaning ?
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
July 2, 2020 at 2:30 pm
(July 2, 2020 at 2:23 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (July 2, 2020 at 9:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: What's funny is that there were English translations of the Quran before 1929 and none of them used the word 'expand'.
It's neither credible or accurate translations until English became global.
Take this example from the 18th century translation of George Sale:
Quote:CHAPTER XXX.
ENTITLED, THE GREEKS;q REVEALED AT MECCA.r
IN THE NAME OF THE MOST MERCIFUL GOD.
A. L. M.s THE Greeks have been overcome by the Persians,t
While the literal English to Arabic -and the original verse- does not even mention neither Greeks nor Persians :
Quote:Sura 30, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh
( 1 ) Alif, Lam, Meem.
( 2 ) The Byzantines have been defeated
English translations were very poor and very wrong until English became a famous global language, and native Muslims who are familiar with the language began to translate into it.
That's why I insist that your request for an old translation to English is quite strange, I mean if old English translator got simple verses like this wrong; added and forged the original text even; then how do you expect it to give you an honest and authentic meaning ?
The Byzantines WERE Greeks, you boob.
And if you can’t even get the date when a major war ended, how can we expect you to get anything else right?
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
July 2, 2020 at 3:36 pm
(This post was last modified: July 2, 2020 at 3:40 pm by Abaddon_ire.)
(July 1, 2020 at 4:06 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Quote:Mister Agenda Wrote:
Funny how neither of those were the English translations before 1929 that I challenged you to present. It's almost like no English translation translated it as 'expand' before 1929....
What's funnier is that you ask for an English translation of the Quran before 1929.
Even though English did not become a "global language" or "lingua franca " until WW2:
https://english.stackexchange.com/questi...e-and-when
WW2 ended in 1939.
edit:
WW2 ended in 1945
Your request is wrong both semantically and logically; Mister Agenda Hey AtlasS, many sura start with the three letters Alif. Lam. Mim.
Did you know that the english translation of those letters is "WTF?"
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Other than obfuscation, I can't see why WinterHold is mixing up;
"WHEN was the Quran first translated into English?" Thanks to Mr Agenda for that useful date of 1649.
And,
"When did English become the most common language?"
Weird how WinterHold throws random seeming interpretations into a conversation.
 Particularly given that the most common language is Mandarin Chinese.
One might expect him to have some intersection with reality. Or perhaps not.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
July 2, 2020 at 3:47 pm
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(July 2, 2020 at 2:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 2, 2020 at 2:23 pm)WinterHold Wrote: It's neither credible or accurate translations until English became global.
Take this example from the 18th century translation of George Sale:
While the literal English to Arabic -and the original verse- does not even mention neither Greeks nor Persians :
English translations were very poor and very wrong until English became a famous global language, and native Muslims who are familiar with the language began to translate into it.
That's why I insist that your request for an old translation to English is quite strange, I mean if old English translator got simple verses like this wrong; added and forged the original text even; then how do you expect it to give you an honest and authentic meaning ?
The Byzantines WERE Greeks, you boob.
And if you can’t even get the date when a major war ended, how can we expect you to get anything else right?
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Quote:Roman emperor Constantine I
Names of Constantinople
Byzantium took on the name of Kōnstantinoupolis ("city of Constantine", Constantinople) after its refoundation under Roman emperor Constantine I, who transferred the capital of the Roman Empire to Byzantium in 330 and designated his new capital officially as Nova Roma (Νέα Ῥώμη) 'New Rome'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople
And get back to the OP.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
July 2, 2020 at 4:01 pm
(July 2, 2020 at 3:47 pm)WinterHold Wrote: (July 2, 2020 at 2:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The Byzantines WERE Greeks, you boob.
And if you can’t even get the date when a major war ended, how can we expect you to get anything else right?
Boru
Quote:Roman emperor Constantine I
Names of Constantinople
Byzantium took on the name of Kōnstantinoupolis ("city of Constantine", Constantinople) after its refoundation under Roman emperor Constantine I, who transferred the capital of the Roman Empire to Byzantium in 330 and designated his new capital officially as Nova Roma (Νέα Ῥώμη) 'New Rome'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople
And get back to the OP.
Dig a little deeper.
Quote:And get back to the OP.
I will if you will.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
July 3, 2020 at 4:00 am
(July 2, 2020 at 2:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (July 2, 2020 at 2:23 pm)WinterHold Wrote: It's neither credible or accurate translations until English became global.
Take this example from the 18th century translation of George Sale:
While the literal English to Arabic -and the original verse- does not even mention neither Greeks nor Persians :
English translations were very poor and very wrong until English became a famous global language, and native Muslims who are familiar with the language began to translate into it.
That's why I insist that your request for an old translation to English is quite strange, I mean if old English translator got simple verses like this wrong; added and forged the original text even; then how do you expect it to give you an honest and authentic meaning ?
The Byzantines WERE Greeks, you boob.
The amount of lying and hypocrisy can be shown here from the mod. He name-calls me and lie about history when he confronted with the evidence from historical records.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
July 3, 2020 at 4:13 am
Try taking a look at a map, lol.
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
July 3, 2020 at 5:08 am
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How is commenting about some one's lack of knowledge about history and their general level of ignorance hypocrisy or lying?
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RE: [Quranic Reflection]: The universe is expanding
July 3, 2020 at 5:19 am
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(July 3, 2020 at 4:00 am)WinterHold Wrote: (July 2, 2020 at 2:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The Byzantines WERE Greeks, you boob.
The amount of lying and hypocrisy can be shown here from the mod. He name-calls me and lie about history when he confronted with the evidence from historical records.
I lied about history? I'm not the one who got the end date of the Second World War wrong, then corrected it and got it wrong again.
As for the Byzantine Empire, while it is certainly true that it was originally the Eastern half of the Roman Empire, it was ethnically, culturally, and linguistically Greek - Romans weren't all that interested in imposing Latin cultural practices on subjugated peoples (as long as they got their troop levies, I mean).
You're a boob.
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