(July 13, 2020 at 10:33 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(July 13, 2020 at 7:00 pm)masoni Wrote: Erdogan’s avowed path is simply that of a bloodthirsty totalitarian SS hyena that hates Western and Christian civilization. Islam has never had a period of civilization despite lies of George Soros’ cancel Culture Dhimmicrats.

This has to be one of the most nonsensical statements I've read on the internet in quite some time. Perhaps you can supply some referents as to what these terms mean?

In context, what does "SS" mean

Provide non-fascist references for George Soros' lies

Dafuq is a "Dhimmicrat"?

I think SS he means fascists ,And i agree the Soros thing is uncalled for ,And he accusing the democrats of saying Islam has a culture . The only part i agree with in his post  is Erdogan is bloodthirsty and a  totalitarian

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Quote:You can't. Face it: you're a bigot that uses internet forums to advocate the impaling of people for their religion.

As opposed to you who uses it to demonize westerners

lol, translating what the troll wrote in Arabic:

Quote: كسمك يا ابن المرة المتناكة الشرموطة الزانية
Your mom's vagina son of the fucked woman the adulterer the whore

So...exactly...

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(July 13, 2020 at 10:51 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(July 13, 2020 at 10:33 pm)Fireball Wrote: This has to be one of the most nonsensical statements I've read on the internet in quite some time. Perhaps you can supply some referents as to what these terms mean?

In context, what does "SS" mean

Provide non-fascist references for George Soros' lies

Dafuq is a "Dhimmicrat"?

I think SS he means fascists ,And i agree the Soros thing is uncalled for ,And he accusing the democrats of saying Islam has a culture . The only part i agree with in his post  is Erdogan is bloodthirsty and a  totalitarian

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Quote:You can't. Face it: you're a bigot that uses internet forums to advocate the impaling of people for their religion.

As opposed to you who uses it to demonize westerners

for the record; what did Erdogan do that triggered all this hate?
seriously, Turkey's human rights record is very clean, and this country is way way better economically than the rest of the Muslim world

(July 13, 2020 at 10:56 pm)WinterHold Wrote: lol, translating what the troll wrote in Arabic:

Quote: كسمك يا ابن المرة المتناكة الشرموطة الزانية
Your mom's vagina son of the fucked woman the adulterer the whore

So...exactly...

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(July 13, 2020 at 10:51 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: I think SS he means fascists ,And i agree the Soros thing is uncalled for ,And he accusing the democrats of saying Islam has a culture . The only part i agree with in his post  is Erdogan is bloodthirsty and a  totalitarian

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As opposed to you who uses it to demonize westerners

for the record; what did Erdogan do that triggered all this hate?
seriously, Turkey's human rights record is very clean, and this country is way way better economically than the rest of the Muslim world

1. He's a Tyrant
2. Turkish Troops have committed war crimes in Syria  (which gets ignored despite Russia getting flakk for the same actions)
3. The Kurds and his crimes against them

(July 13, 2020 at 10:26 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Bigotry can reach high levels; but this type of bigotry is....cold, brutal. I mean what kind of people are these? 

Yeah, the Anglophone propaganda bubble is amazing in its effectiveness. I suppose I should stop being shocked at these things, but there's something new every day. 

At least by speaking up and saying these things they're proving beyond doubt how ignorant they are. I suspect that the percentage of reasonable, literate, sane people stays fairly constant over time. Every culture has its bigots, and probably always will.

Quote:Back to our discussion: I think Christianity inherited the decaying Roman culture for a small while, then sunk into the darkness of the dark ages; which saw little to no advancement in culture. The Christian world only revived when it rejected the bible and overthrew the Church after the French revolution.

This is an interesting subject for me! 

It's certainly true that the Christian culture of Europe adopted and adapted all kinds of things from Greece, from Rome, from the Near East, etc. But that's true of any society. Nothing has ever been pure. 

What you say about the "dark ages," though, is a kind of a trope that is losing support among historians. It is frequently repeated among Western ideologues who want to imagine that Christianity ruined culture, but the truth seems to be different. 

Here's a recent blog post from a very good historian whose main hobby is correcting exactly this kind of misunderstanding:

https://historyforatheists.com/2020/07/s...s-history/

Here he's addressing an Ayn Rand-type college professor who repeats a number of disproved cliches about medieval European history. 

It depends on how we're defining "civilization," but I'm thinking that in history just about every civilization has been based on violence, had a suffering underclass, etc. But there are better times and worse times. 

The Italian Renaissance, for example, is sometimes given as an example of a high point in civilization. It was a violent and chaotic time, but it also reached a peak in other ways, and set a direction for later people. And it was completely soaked in Christianity. You can't imagine the Renaissance without Christianity. The Twelfth Century Renaissance, also, was very Christian. 

The scholars who revived Aristotle, providing the intellectual underpinnings for science, were Christian monks. And the scholars who did experiments and advanced math to prove that Aristotle was wrong about motion were also Christian theologians and clergy. 

So just as I won't accept that Islam is essentially opposed to human advancement, I won't accept similar statements about Christianity. It has contributed at least as much as it has detracted. And imagining a world without it is only idle speculation.

Quote:Yeah, the Anglophone propaganda bubble is amazing in its effectiveness. I suppose I should stop being shocked at these things, but there's something new every day. 

At least by speaking up and saying these things they're proving beyond doubt how ignorant they are. I suspect that the percentage of reasonable, literate, sane people stays fairly constant over time. Every culture has its bigots, and probably always will.

Yay sweeping generalizations

(July 13, 2020 at 10:50 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 13, 2020 at 10:35 pm)masoni Wrote:

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I have to fuck your ass and ur mother asshole too son of a whore 
كسمك يا ابن المرة المتناكة الشرموطة الزانية

You can't. Face it: you're a bigot that uses internet forums to advocate the impaling of people for their religion.

Just shut up asshole

(July 13, 2020 at 10:35 pm)masoni Wrote:

(July 13, 2020 at 10:29 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: 1.Umm the Muslims have built plenty of great buildings 
2. I agree they Turkey has no place in NATO
3.That's a bit off just because some Muslim countries are oppressive does not we don't have a problem 
4. The most controlling of women is debatable

muslims supporting extremism and radicalisation but oppose it when its against them.

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(July 13, 2020 at 10:31 pm)WinterHold Wrote: From which garbage can did you come, you asshole?
You want our people, our families to get impaled in the anus like Vlad used to do?

You motherfucking waste of time, thank you for showing your real morals though, you bloodthirsty savage, go back to the garbage can you got out from.

I have to fuck your ass and ur mother asshole too son of a whore 
كسمك يا ابن المرة المتناكة الشرموطة الزانية

Ahem. Your "religion of peace" is showing. 

(July 13, 2020 at 5:59 pm)WinterHold Wrote: The Byzantines butchered Prophet Mohammed's ambassador, that was the reason Muslims targeted Constantinople itself for centuries until they conquered it.

Sure, conquering an entire empire because an ambassador was killed. Completely reasonable and believable.

Do you agree that it was only reasonable that the Mongols conquered Khwarezmia after the mongol ambassador was killed?

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(July 13, 2020 at 10:56 pm)WinterHold Wrote: seriously, Turkey's human rights record is very clean

(July 13, 2020 at 10:35 pm)masoni Wrote:

(July 13, 2020 at 10:29 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: 1.Umm the Muslims have built plenty of great buildings 
2. I agree they Turkey has no place in NATO
3.That's a bit off just because some Muslim countries are oppressive does not we don't have a problem 
4. The most controlling of women is debatable

muslims supporting extremism and radicalisation but oppose it when its against them.

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(July 13, 2020 at 10:31 pm)WinterHold Wrote: From which garbage can did you come, you asshole?
You want our people, our families to get impaled in the anus like Vlad used to do?

You motherfucking waste of time, thank you for showing your real morals though, you bloodthirsty savage, go back to the garbage can you got out from.

I have to fuck your ass and ur mother asshole too son of a whore 
كسمك يا ابن المرة المتناكة الشرموطة الزانية

What the fuck is wrong with you? bek shi???

(July 13, 2020 at 7:00 pm)masoni Wrote: Erdogan’s avowed path is simply that of a bloodthirsty totalitarian SS hyena that hates Western and Christian civilization. Islam has never had a period of civilization despite lies of George Soros’ cancel Culture Dhimmicrats.

Simply false. Around 800-1100 AD, the Islamic lands were one of the top cultures for arts, literature, mathematics, etc.

I'm most familiar with math, where quite amazing advances were made during that time period, from the invention of the number line, to work with polynomials, the development of trigonometry, solutions of cubic equations geometrically, the stabilizing of the decimal system, etc.

Certainly, during that time period, the Islamic lands were *far* above the Europeans in matters of culture in almost every particular.