(July 15, 2020 at 4:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 15, 2020 at 4:23 pm)WinterHold Wrote: Please; read carefully before you turn this into a pillow fight like a...I forgot; this is a serious topic, but you know the insult I had in mind though, I wrote:






Literally I said that:

-Muslims
-Jews
-Christians
-Atheists
-Homosexuals
-Transexuals

And pretty much anybody would have the right to speak about violations touching their human rights.

Again; no need to turn this into a pillow fight with your pillow filled in glass to make me bleed; discussions about Islamophobia would indeed be written by people like me, but also about homophobia, also about atheism, also about and about.
Just as this forum was global when I joined it, I intend to act like a good son and keep it that way with my suggestions.

People in those groups already have that right. Another reason the new forum is unnecessary.

But to be fair about Nomad’s point, you have never shown much interest in the human rights of non-Muslims. Like some others here, I can’t shake the feeling that what you really want is an ‘Islamic Rights’ forum.

I hope I’m wrong.

Boru

No. This forum is not mine, neither my property. So I understand and know very well that the world has all types of people. I hate to repeat myself for the third time, but my view is crystal clear on this:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-61330-p...pid1988313

Thank you.

(July 15, 2020 at 4:52 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 15, 2020 at 4:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: People in those groups already have that right. Another reason the new forum is unnecessary.

But to be fair about Nomad’s point, you have never shown much interest in the human rights of non-Muslims. Like some others here, I can’t shake the feeling that what you really want is an ‘Islamic Rights’ forum.

I hope I’m wrong.

Boru

No. This forum is not mine, neither my property. So I understand and know very well that the world has all types of people. I hate to repeat myself for the third time, but my view is crystal clear on this:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-61330-p...pid1988313

Thank you.

I’m happy to take you at your word.

Boru

It sounds like a good idea to me because human rights is important.

But I haven't checked if we have an ethics section yet.

(July 15, 2020 at 5:35 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote: It sounds like a good idea to me because human rights is important.

But I haven't checked if we have an ethics section yet.

My problem with ethics is that they are relative. Each culture has its own code of ethics, and it gets more complicated if we joined religion to the mixture.
Such unified code of ethics does not exist, unlike human rights.

i.e it's a different cup of tea to everybody.

(July 15, 2020 at 5:43 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 15, 2020 at 5:35 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote: It sounds like a good idea to me because human rights is important.

But I haven't checked if we have an ethics section yet.

My problem with ethics is that they are relative. Each culture has its own code of ethics, and it gets more complicated if we joined religion to the mixture.
Such unified code of ethics does not exist, unlike human rights.

i.e it's a different cup of tea to everybody.

Well, I used to be a moral realist ........ and when I say "used to" I mean yesterday. I am currently experiencing a lot of doubt and trying to figure out what I believe.

One thing I find curious, though: your religious views say that you are a Muslim. Aren't all muslims moral realists because they believe that Allah decides what is right and wrong?

(July 15, 2020 at 5:48 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote:

(July 15, 2020 at 5:43 pm)WinterHold Wrote: My problem with ethics is that they are relative. Each culture has its own code of ethics, and it gets more complicated if we joined religion to the mixture.
Such unified code of ethics does not exist, unlike human rights.

i.e it's a different cup of tea to everybody.

Well, I used to be a moral realist ........ and when I say "used to" I mean yesterday. I am currently experiencing a lot of doubt and trying to figure out what I believe.

One thing I find curious, though: your religious views say that you are a Muslim. Aren't all muslims moral realists because they believe that Allah decides what is right and wrong?

One of the first rules of Islam is that there shall be no compulsion in the acceptance of Islam.
Another rule is that people should be free to choose what they like in this life.

So I act upon it, and attempt to invite people to my faith but never preventing them from advocating their views.

That's why I believe this forum is doing a good job allowing both Muslims and Atheists alike to advocate their views and discuss them.
A Human Rights section would also benefit this context; with Muslims and non-Muslims freely advocate their thoughts and topics about the matter.

Personally I believe in God. But it's my God who ordered me to let people choose what they like.

Wow that is completely different to my understanding of Islam because I always thought that Islam was the least tolerant religion.

(July 15, 2020 at 6:21 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote: Wow that is completely different to my understanding of Islam because I always thought that Islam was the least tolerant religion.

You thought wrong; the mayor of London is a Muslim -Sadiq Khan-
America has a Muslim wearing Hijab in the congress -Ilhan Omar-.
Don't believe the campaigns of the far-right which spits Islamophobia.

(July 15, 2020 at 6:42 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 15, 2020 at 6:21 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote: Wow that is completely different to my understanding of Islam because I always thought that Islam was the least tolerant religion.

You thought wrong; the mayor of London is a Muslim -Sadiq Khan-
America has a Muslim wearing Hijab in the congress -Ilhan Omar-.
Don't believe the campaigns of the far-right which spits Islamophobia.

I said that I've always thought that Islam is the least tolerant religion. I didn't say that Muslims can't be tolerant people.

Winterhold is like a hipster Muslim; he is part of a sect that you probably haven't heard of...