(July 14, 2020 at 4:28 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote: The hardest thing for me to pinpoint is what the worst thing about Trump is. Because there are so many bad things about him.

It's the treason, definitely.

(July 15, 2020 at 10:17 am)arewethereyet Wrote: The White House has ordered hospitals to stop reporting all things COVID to the CDC and instead send it to Trump's cronies in Washington.

How soon before the numbers suddenly, miraculously, drop?

https://www.axios.com/white-house-tells-...4cd05.html

There are several articles available with a quick Google search.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical...d=msedgntp

Hospital data on coronavirus patients will now be rerouted to the Trump administration instead of first being sent to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Department of Health and Human Services confirmed to CNN on Tuesday.

Someone better take away his sharpie
Just sayin´

Oh great. Ivanka found a second job beside her working as a white house staffer, and that is a product marketer.



Too bad it's against the law, but then again her dad is the president so she can make money in whatever way she wants.

(July 15, 2020 at 12:36 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Oh great. Ivanka found a second job beside her working as a white house staffer, and that is a product marketer.



Too bad it's against the law, but then again her dad is the president so she can make money in whatever way she wants.

It’s also important to remember that this Trump tart’s solution to the millions and millions of Americans who became unemployed due to the pandemic is to ‘Find Something New’.

Genius. Absolute fucking genius.

Boru

(July 14, 2020 at 7:59 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(July 14, 2020 at 4:28 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote: The hardest thing for me to pinpoint is what the worst thing about Trump is. Because there are so many bad things about him.

From what I see about him, at bottom, it's "ME ME ME", and anything that takes away from that obese ego has to be derided. He doesn't give a damn about anyone else but himself, and how he can use them for his own ends. It sickens me to see.

So in a word, it's his narcissism, that is his worst quality, you reckon?

There are plenty of narcissists not as bad as Trump but are you saying that it's his narcissism that is driving him?

(July 15, 2020 at 6:09 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote:

(July 14, 2020 at 7:59 pm)Fireball Wrote: From what I see about him, at bottom, it's "ME ME ME", and anything that takes away from that obese ego has to be derided. He doesn't give a damn about anyone else but himself, and how he can use them for his own ends. It sickens me to see.

So in a word, it's his narcissism, that is his worst quality, you reckon?

There are plenty of narcissists not as bad as Trump but are you saying that it's his narcissism that is driving him?

Well it causes him to lie . It cause him to believe he can get away with anything . It makes him unwilling to listen or admit mistakes . It causes him to posture and say dumb things just to save face . So yes i would say it's his worst  quality .

(July 15, 2020 at 6:20 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(July 15, 2020 at 6:09 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote: So in a word, it's his narcissism, that is his worst quality, you reckon?

There are plenty of narcissists not as bad as Trump but are you saying that it's his narcissism that is driving him?

Well it causes him to lie . It cause him to believe he can get away with anything . It makes him unwilling to listen or admit mistakes . It causes him to posture and say dumb things just to save face . So yes i would say it's his worst  quality .

Okay, so here's a question: is narcissism the worst vice for everybody or just for Trump?

(July 15, 2020 at 6:25 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote:

(July 15, 2020 at 6:20 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Well it causes him to lie . It cause him to believe he can get away with anything . It makes him unwilling to listen or admit mistakes . It causes him to posture and say dumb things just to save face . So yes i would say it's his worst  quality .

Okay, so here's a question: is narcissism the worst vice for everybody or just for Trump?

Oh no some people have little ego at all .But a terrible in their unique ways .

(July 15, 2020 at 6:30 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(July 15, 2020 at 6:25 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote: Okay, so here's a question: is narcissism the worst vice for everybody or just for Trump?

Oh no some people have little ego at all .But a terrible in their unique ways .

How can a person without an ego be terrible? Doesn't a person without an ego do terrible actions but have no terrible character?

For example, isn't a person who has no ego who kills somebody more like a rabid dog than a devil?

Doesn't no ego mean no conscience and doesn't no conscience mean amoral rather than immoral? Despite immoral actions.

(July 15, 2020 at 6:32 pm)ModusPonens1 Wrote:

(July 15, 2020 at 6:30 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Oh no some people have little ego at all .But a terrible in their unique ways .

How can a person without an ego be terrible? Doesn't a person without an ego do terrible actions but have no terrible character?

For example, isn't a person who has no ego who kills somebody more like a rabid dog than a devil?

Doesn't no ego mean no conscience and doesn't no conscience mean amoral rather than immoral? Despite immoral actions.

Interesting questions! 

I suspect that Sungula is using the word "ego" to mean "selfishness." He's thinking of "egotistical" or "egoistic." 

You're using it in the more proper sense. It could have the Freudian meaning, to refer to the conscious portion of the psyche -- the part which says "I". And if that's what it means then you're certainly right. An ego is a self, and a person with no self isn't really a person. A "philosophical zombie." 

But if we think of the ego as the "self," I think there's a long tradition of seeing it as a block to love and compassion. It is the thing that has to be overcome, in both Western mysticism and Buddhism. The illusion that one's self is separate from other beings, or is somehow special, is the root of all evil. This is why for Dante, pride is the sin which makes all other sins possible -- it allows us to feel special enough to justify our selfishness.

This is from M.H. Abrams' book Natural Supernaturalism:

Quote:This radical cause of separation, hence of evil, Boehme called Selbheit [Selfhood], Winstanley the “selfish” aspect of fallen and fragmented man, and Schelling the finite Ichheit which is “the point of the extremest alienation from God.” “Evil generally,” Hegel said, when it is expressed as concept rather than in the image-thinking of religion, is “the self-centered being-for-itself [das insichseiende Fürsichsein] and good is selfless simplicity [das selbstlose Ein-fache].”

In my view the common desire in America to be a cowboy tough-guy individualist lends itself far too easily to this kind of evil. And allows Trumpism. 

We can quote Iris Murdoch, in honor of her 101st birthday today:

“Love is the extremely difficult realization that something other than oneself is real.”