(July 27, 2020 at 10:38 am)Eleven Wrote: Tinklebell: an old gay man who has trouble peeing.

And after I did you a favor!

(July 25, 2020 at 11:45 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(July 25, 2020 at 10:28 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Yeah, gay people are sooo oppressed... Let's be real, we're in a system of white supremacy which has nothing to do with sexual orientation, Hell J. Edgar Hoover, the guy responsible for COINTELPRO which targeted blacks was LBGT.

Or that systems of oppression tend to encompass several different aspects of people's lives, race and sexual orientation being two of them. It's not like oppressive systems have just one thing they hate and everyone outside that single thing has free rein to do whatever they want. Seriously, how the fuck do I have to be person to explain this to you?

Yes, Hoover was (likely) LGBT. He was also closeted all his life and, because of this, it turns out the issue of his sexuality is actually murky enough that at least one biography claims he was probably asexual. And to drive my point home further, despite his possible homosexuality, helped to champion a purge of homosexuals in the government that ran parallel with the Red Scare, and even had Joe McCarthy spearheading it (surprisingly, the Lavender Scare had even more victims than the Red Scare). The other person apart from McCarthy and Hoover to make this happen? Roy Cohn, who was also in the closet all his life, but whose homosexuality is all but certain.

(August 18, 2016 at 1:59 am)Eleven Wrote: Black people just need to get over themselves.  I went there.

Which oppressive system targeted gay people? Slavery? The black codes? Jim Crow? Redlining? Yet bills are being signed that specify LBGT, name any bills that are specific to black people.

Here’s a place to start when you want to understand what systems oppressed gay people:



I’d say that the fact that until fairly recently (and by this, I mean 17 years ago), there were parts of America where having gay sex itself was against the law (plus it took until five years ago to legalize gay marriage nationwide) is a pretty good example of an oppressive system that targeted gay people. So, in terms of black history like the ones you just name-dropped, imagine that you had enough Massa blood in you to pass for white and you were living in a sundown town. Until 2003, that was the situation a lot of gay people were in, although they might not have been lynched per se, but they could get killed and their killers could get away with a gay panic defense. And until Illinois legalized same-sex relations in 1961, that was the case for gay people nationwide.

Hell, I actually linked to a specific government program (The Lavender Scare) used to fuck with gay people in my previous post.

Why are gay people being specifically named as beneficiaries In these laws and not black people? Because when civil rights laws were being passed in the 1960s, they used language like “All persons shall be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.” And they thought that would cover all the bases. As it turns out, they didn’t, hence the need for additional laws covering gay people, the disabled, trans people, &c.

(July 27, 2020 at 10:38 am)Eleven Wrote: Tinklebell: an old gay man who has trouble peeing.

What, like a gay version of this scene from Zoolander?

Quote:Which oppressive system targeted gay people? Slavery? The black codes? Jim Crow? Redlining? Yet bills are being signed that specify LBGT, name any bills that are specific to black people

Homosexuality was criminalized (and there still are sodomy laws though they are not enforced anymore ) 

Homosexuals were classified as mentally ill and were forced to undergo horrific treatments (electro shock , Chemical sterilization) 

Homosexuals have been routinely abused by the police 

Homosexuals were demonized (associated to pedophiles )

During the Aids pandemic gays were frequently targeted  

Not to mention decades of targeted violence 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...statistics


Ete etc etc

This thread is SO gay!

(July 27, 2020 at 7:26 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Yet bills are being signed that specify LBGT, name any bills that are specific to black people.

Well, a lot of gay people are black, so they are kind of specific to black people.

(July 28, 2020 at 8:57 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: This thread is SO gay!

The best things usually are.

(July 27, 2020 at 7:26 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(July 25, 2020 at 11:45 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Or that systems of oppression tend to encompass several different aspects of people's lives, race and sexual orientation being two of them. It's not like oppressive systems have just one thing they hate and everyone outside that single thing has free rein to do whatever they want. Seriously, how the fuck do I have to be person to explain this to you?

Yes, Hoover was (likely) LGBT. He was also closeted all his life and, because of this, it turns out the issue of his sexuality is actually murky enough that at least one biography claims he was probably asexual. And to drive my point home further, despite his possible homosexuality, helped to champion a purge of homosexuals in the government that ran parallel with the Red Scare, and even had Joe McCarthy spearheading it (surprisingly, the Lavender Scare had even more victims than the Red Scare). The other person apart from McCarthy and Hoover to make this happen? Roy Cohn, who was also in the closet all his life, but whose homosexuality is all but certain.

(August 18, 2016 at 1:59 am)Eleven Wrote: Black people just need to get over themselves.  I went there.

Which oppressive system targeted gay people? Slavery? The black codes? Jim Crow? Redlining? Yet bills are being signed that specify LBGT, name any bills that are specific to black people.

Yeah, it’s a darn good thing that there has never been a system that oppressed gay people. Fortunately, there were no laws targeting Alan Turing, or a court system that gave him the choice of prison or chemical castration. He was able to live out his life as a gay man in complete freedom, free from all oppression and social ostracism.

Asshole.

Boru

Shameless:

Frank: She doesn't hate gays, it was her husband. She found boxes of gay porn after he died. He was a raging gay homophobe.

Kid: Aren't all homophobes gay?

Frank: Probably so, son.