I love lots of people but I'm glad that I don't have to spend an eternity with them.

It's somewhat hard to reconcile what we should be given to expect of heaven, given that we live in a fallen world. All the norms we have will no longer apply.

(August 27, 2020 at 5:48 am)Sal Wrote:

(August 27, 2020 at 4:24 am)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: But why should we assume that we were 'dead' before we were born? How can we be sure that the after life state is the same as the before life state? we could't have been dead, we just hadn't been born yet. 


And what about nature? If a plant can die and live again, why can't we?

The implication in Mark Twain's quote, poetically alluded to, is that "you" didn't exist before you were born, which is the same non-existent state "you" will be after death.

But how do you know?

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(August 27, 2020 at 10:05 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(August 27, 2020 at 4:24 am)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: But why should we assume that we were 'dead' before we were born? How can we be sure that the after life state is the same as the before life state? we could't have been dead, we just hadn't been born yet. 


And what about nature? If a plant can die and live again, why can't we?

We weren't alive before we were conceived, so it does seem a reasonable assumption. 'Dead' in the sense of 'no longer alive' is probably not the best word to describe that state, if we're being precise we should settle for nonliving or similar, if we're not being precise, 'dead' is fine. We can't be sure, but afterlives sure sound made-up and anything that seems to support them being real doesn't stand up to reasonable scrutiny. It's not certain that the after life state is the same as the before life state, but concluding that it is based on the evidence we have is reasonable.

A dead plant stays dead. A plant that's dormant (not completely dead) can revive. In any case it resembles an afterlife for an immaterial spirit in another plane of existence in no way whatsoever.

But why does it have to revive. Why can't it stay dead?

(August 28, 2020 at 9:38 am)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: [quote pid='1995633' dateline='1598537130']

A dead plant stays dead. A plant that's dormant (not completely dead) can revive. In any case it resembles an afterlife for an immaterial spirit in another plane of existence in no way whatsoever.

But why does it have to revive. Why can't it stay dead? :huh
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You do know he actually wrote that it WASNT dead only dormant. 
I had heard there are no stupid questions but....you know.....

(August 28, 2020 at 9:38 am)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote:

(August 27, 2020 at 5:48 am)Sal Wrote: The implication in Mark Twain's quote, poetically alluded to, is that "you" didn't exist before you were born, which is the same non-existent state "you" will be after death.

But how do you know?

Because I did not know anything before I was born, because I was incapable to know anything seeing as I didn't exist.

(August 27, 2020 at 9:36 pm)Angrboda Wrote: It's somewhat hard to reconcile what we should be given to expect of heaven, given that we live in a fallen world.  All the norms we have will no longer apply.

Welcome back. The place wasn't the same without you.

(August 28, 2020 at 9:38 am)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: But why does it have to revive. Why can't it stay dead?

In strange aeons, that which never truly died can sometimes revive. A truly dead plant can't revive. Some cells at least have to still be alive for the plant to revive from a state of dormancy.

Critters like us are more dependent on our parts working, once the critical ones no longer function, we can't be revived even with a pretty high percentage of our cells still living, though even with us, death isn't quite what it used to be with modern medicine. We use the term 'clinically dead' for someone who shows none of the traditional signs of life (breathing, heartbeat) but is still potentially revivable. What constitutes clinical death is a moving target as we improve our medical techniques and technology to be able to revive people that we couldn't have 50 years ago.

(August 31, 2020 at 12:00 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(August 28, 2020 at 9:38 am)Shazzalovesnovels Wrote: But why does it have to revive. Why can't it stay dead?

In strange aeons, that which never truly died can sometimes revive. A truly dead plant can't revive. Some cells at least have to still be alive for the plant to revive from a state of dormancy.

Critters like us are more dependent on our parts working, once the critical ones no longer function, we can't be revived even with a pretty high percentage of our cells still living, though even with us, death isn't quite what it used to be with modern medicine. We use the term 'clinically dead' for someone who shows none of the traditional signs of life (breathing, heartbeat) but is still potentially revivable. What constitutes clinical death is a moving target as we improve our medical techniques and technology to be able to revive people that we couldn't have 50 years ago.

I heard that Umbrella corporation is working on T-cell technology that can even revive dead cells.

(August 31, 2020 at 4:17 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote:

(August 31, 2020 at 12:00 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: In strange aeons, that which never truly died can sometimes revive. A truly dead plant can't revive. Some cells at least have to still be alive for the plant to revive from a state of dormancy.

Critters like us are more dependent on our parts working, once the critical ones no longer function, we can't be revived even with a pretty high percentage of our cells still living, though even with us, death isn't quite what it used to be with modern medicine. We use the term 'clinically dead' for someone who shows none of the traditional signs of life (breathing, heartbeat) but is still potentially revivable. What constitutes clinical death is a moving target as we improve our medical techniques and technology to be able to revive people that we couldn't have 50 years ago.

I heard that Umbrella corporation is working on T-cell technology that can even revive dead cells.

Hasn't Milla Jovovich been revived this way a couple of times? 

(September 1, 2020 at 8:45 am)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(August 31, 2020 at 4:17 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: I heard that Umbrella corporation is working on T-cell technology that can even revive dead cells.

Hasn't Milla Jovovich been revived this way a couple of times? 

I wouldn't know, I only follow her movie career, which hasn't revived.