Quote:You know it's more than alt righters that are raising concerns about BLM and other social justice folks' agenda, right? Have you seen Bret Weinstein's DarkHorse podcast that he does with his lovely wife? I watch that a lot and they cover this stuff all the time. They are gravely concerned about the direction of these protests. They are gravely concerned about the way things are trending. They are far from perfect, but are pretty fair with their analysis. Have they also been indoctrinated by the alt right? Were they wrong to refuse to leave the Evergreen campus when the students (turned to rioters armed with baseball bats) tried to force them to leave campus for the day because of their pale skin? Must I have been indoctrinated by Nick Fuentes to see that it's a bad idea to want to do away with the nuclear family? I can think for myself and I'm certainly no fan of Fox News or Trump. Same goes for CNN, the NYT, or any other outlet which are every bit as bad as Fox. Same for all the news networks here in Canada where I reside. They're all trash. I look at the facts and base my opinions on that. I am pretty good at seeing through the BS where the facts are twisted around and used to fit whatever agenda that outlet wants to push. I don't trust any corporate media or independent media for that matter. They're all flawed in one way or another.

1. Bret Weinstein's is a repugnant human being

2. Pretending to be the "moderate " "independent think" is a old guise one no falls for anymore . This isn't 2016 .

3. The rest of your blather is Conspiracy tripe not even worth refuting because it's not even wrong .

(September 14, 2020 at 1:28 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

Quote:You know it's more than alt righters that are raising concerns about BLM and other social justice folks' agenda, right? Have you seen Bret Weinstein's DarkHorse podcast that he does with his lovely wife? I watch that a lot and they cover this stuff all the time. They are gravely concerned about the direction of these protests. They are gravely concerned about the way things are trending. They are far from perfect, but are pretty fair with their analysis. Have they also been indoctrinated by the alt right? Were they wrong to refuse to leave the Evergreen campus when the students (turned to rioters armed with baseball bats) tried to force them to leave campus for the day because of their pale skin? Must I have been indoctrinated by Nick Fuentes to see that it's a bad idea to want to do away with the nuclear family? I can think for myself and I'm certainly no fan of Fox News or Trump. Same goes for CNN, the NYT, or any other outlet which are every bit as bad as Fox. Same for all the news networks here in Canada where I reside. They're all trash. I look at the facts and base my opinions on that. I am pretty good at seeing through the BS where the facts are twisted around and used to fit whatever agenda that outlet wants to push. I don't trust any corporate media or independent media for that matter. They're all flawed in one way or another.

1. Bret Weinstein's is a repugnant human being

2. Pretending to be the "moderate " "independent think" is a old guise one no falls for anymore . This isn't 2016 .

3. The rest of your blather is Conspiracy tripe not even worth refuting because it's not even wrong .

What's wrong with Bret Weinstein? Or his brother Eric Weinstein who shares his views on the way these protests are trending?

(September 14, 2020 at 12:53 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 14, 2020 at 12:48 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Marx May have made unrealistic and overreaching extrapolations about possible future human Societal interaction, but like Newton to Physics, Marx nonetheless remains one of the most insightful social And economic historians, and perhaps single handedly advanced the state of understanding Underlying mechanism behind social and economic history more any other person in history.

So the little shits on the right wing, have some respect.   You don’t need to be a Marxist to see how much Marx advanced our understanding of economic and social history of the world, while right wing shits spew disingenuous platitudes.

Marx was a deluded old mystic with a true talent for guessing wrong about history. He’s no threat and never has been.

Boru

Hardly.

In fact he was the exact opposite.   He was the first social economic historian to ever attempt to demystify history, to elevate history above a mere chronicle of great men, moralizing characterization, and singular events largely out of deeper context, and put it on a analytical footing based on general interests Of population and Overall material conditions.

In this way he is the first Serious historian.   You might say if Marx was wrong about history, it was only because Marx made it possible for there to be a history.  Otherwise it was just a superficial chronicle with a opinion.

Marx had been wrong in much the same way the first people to think rationally about the world were wrong about much of what they inferred.  But the methodology and framework they adopted was what made all subsequent progress possible.

Whether one is able to be right or had fallen into error within one’s lifetime is far less important than whether the method one used is fundamentally susceptible to self Correction.

(September 14, 2020 at 4:59 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You're right, it's silly to think that everyone who argle bargles out a racist dog whistle is doing it because they're racist. Some of them are just useful idiots for racists.

In a similar way, the grifting atheist YouTubers that make racist apologia content to retain their audience has the same effect, regardless of if they believe what they're saying or not.

(September 14, 2020 at 1:42 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(September 14, 2020 at 1:28 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: 1. Bret Weinstein's is a repugnant human being

2. Pretending to be the "moderate " "independent think" is a old guise one no falls for anymore . This isn't 2016 .

3. The rest of your blather is Conspiracy tripe not even worth refuting because it's not even wrong .

What's wrong with Bret Weinstein? Or his brother Eric Weinstein who shares his views on the way these protests are trending?

If i start my list i'll never stop

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(September 14, 2020 at 2:35 pm)Sal Wrote:

(September 14, 2020 at 4:59 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You're right, it's silly to think that everyone who argle bargles out a racist dog whistle is doing it because they're racist.  Some of them are just useful idiots for racists.

In a similar way, the grifting atheist YouTubers that make racist apologia content to retain their audience has the same effect, regardless of if they believe what they're saying or not.

I consider them more pathetic then genuine racists . At least racists are honest about their repugnant beliefs

(September 14, 2020 at 1:15 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(September 14, 2020 at 10:44 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: -and we've never ever heard someone say exactly that line - because that's original to you.  Just like that post full of scientific racism before.  

Is it inconceivable to you that you've been propagandized?  Conditioned, if you prefer.  Indoctrinated.  Who do you suspect might have indoctrinated you on the items you've shared with us?  Do you reckon it's BLMs founders that are conditioning you to white supremacy?  BLM in general?

You know it's more than alt righters that are raising concerns about BLM and other social justice folks' agenda, right? Have you seen Bret Weinstein's DarkHorse podcast that he does with his lovely wife? I watch that a lot and they cover this stuff all the time. They are gravely concerned about the direction of these protests. They are gravely concerned about the way things are trending. They are far from perfect, but are pretty fair with their analysis. Have they also been indoctrinated by the alt right? Were they wrong to refuse to leave the Evergreen campus when the students (turned to rioters armed with baseball bats) tried to force them to leave campus for the day because of their pale skin? Must I have been indoctrinated by Nick Fuentes to see that it's a bad idea to want to do away with the nuclear family? I can think for myself and I'm certainly no fan of Fox News or Trump. Same goes for CNN, the NYT, or any other outlet which are every bit as bad as Fox. Same for all the news networks here in Canada where I reside. They're all trash. I look at the facts and base my opinions on that. I am pretty good at seeing through the BS where the facts are twisted around and used to fit whatever agenda that outlet wants to push. I don't trust any corporate media or independent media for that matter. They're all flawed in one way or another.

Sure, more than just alt righters, but it's generally just the alt righters that use alt right propaganda to convey their worry.  

-and their useful idiots, as we discussed, ofc.

Why do you believe what you do about black men raping white women? Do you know? When you asked us to look at the stats, had you?

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(September 14, 2020 at 2:35 pm)Sal Wrote:

(September 14, 2020 at 4:59 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You're right, it's silly to think that everyone who argle bargles out a racist dog whistle is doing it because they're racist.  Some of them are just useful idiots for racists.

In a similar way, the grifting atheist YouTubers that make racist apologia content to retain their audience has the same effect, regardless of if they believe what they're saying or not.

It's much better, for the white supremacists, anyway.  It launders their propaganda through a trusted source not thought to be involved with white supremacy. The slickest pr guy in the world couldn't pull that off, because we'd all still know he was a pr guy.

(September 14, 2020 at 3:34 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(September 14, 2020 at 1:15 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: You know it's more than alt righters that are raising concerns about BLM and other social justice folks' agenda, right? Have you seen Bret Weinstein's DarkHorse podcast that he does with his lovely wife? I watch that a lot and they cover this stuff all the time. They are gravely concerned about the direction of these protests. They are gravely concerned about the way things are trending. They are far from perfect, but are pretty fair with their analysis. Have they also been indoctrinated by the alt right? Were they wrong to refuse to leave the Evergreen campus when the students (turned to rioters armed with baseball bats) tried to force them to leave campus for the day because of their pale skin? Must I have been indoctrinated by Nick Fuentes to see that it's a bad idea to want to do away with the nuclear family? I can think for myself and I'm certainly no fan of Fox News or Trump. Same goes for CNN, the NYT, or any other outlet which are every bit as bad as Fox. Same for all the news networks here in Canada where I reside. They're all trash. I look at the facts and base my opinions on that. I am pretty good at seeing through the BS where the facts are twisted around and used to fit whatever agenda that outlet wants to push. I don't trust any corporate media or independent media for that matter. They're all flawed in one way or another.

Sure, more than just alt righters, but it's generally just the alt righters that use alt right propaganda to convey their worry.  

-and their useful idiots, as we discussed, ofc.

Why do you believe what you do about black men raping white women?  Do you know?  When you asked us to look at the stats, had you?  

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(September 14, 2020 at 2:35 pm)Sal Wrote: In a similar way, the grifting atheist YouTubers that make racist apologia content to retain their audience has the same effect, regardless of if they believe what they're saying or not.

It's much better, for the white supremacists, anyway.  It launders their propaganda through a trusted source not thought to be involved with white supremacy.  The slickest pr guy in the world couldn't pull that off, because we'd all still know he was a pr guy.

I've just read this https://familyinequality.wordpress.com/2...2-problem/ and I now see how those stats are flawed, and that we don't know the real numbers. I retract what I said before about that. My mistake.

That's a wonderful place to be. Can you recall what lead you to believe in that very specific claim? Can you recall what lead you to believe that very specific claim and that this very specific claim bore some relevance to BLM?

(September 14, 2020 at 8:08 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: That's a wonderful place to be.  Can you recall what lead you to believe in that very specific claim?  Can you recall what lead you to believe that very specific claim and that this very specific claim bore some relevance to BLM?

I trusted the data presented from the source and didn't look into it enough to see if it could be flawed.

I brought up black on white crime to show that all races go through bad stuff and that whites aren't sitting in the kiddie pool with no worries, which was the claim made. I dispute the narrative by MSM that white racism is a huge deal bigger than anything else. A black man is shot and the narrative becomes "now blacks have to worry about getting lynched when they go for a jog. Be afraid of the white boogeyman who's coming to get you." How often does that really happen though? A white woman calls the police on a black man without good reason, and that's headline news, and gets more airtime than a kid shot in the head on his lawn. White racism is a problem for sure, but it's overhyped to the max, and this is done by the establishment to make us hate each other, so we bicker against each other rather than uniting against the powers that be. White people are shot and killed by police plenty too. Black lives matter, as do other lives. I want us to unite, but how can I be an ally when whiteness is what they say they're fighting? Whiteness is not the problem. Those in power being greedy, corrupt, and not caring about the poor is not a white thing. It's a human nature thing.

(September 14, 2020 at 11:56 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I’m always puzzled as to why people are afraid of Marxism. It’s exactly as much of a threat as an nuclear powered wombat.

Boru

Apparently, people seem to favor the reality of the one percent hoarding the world's wealth.