(September 24, 2020 at 11:29 am)Divinity Wrote:

(September 24, 2020 at 11:28 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Really?   That shots are being fired at me is not sufficient excuse for me to use potentially lethal force to preempt my actually being shot?

If you break into someone's house unannounced?  Fuck no, it's not sufficient.

Did they act properly in serving the warrant?

(September 24, 2020 at 11:31 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Just like them hippie chicks who spit on soldiers coming back from Nam. Some day you will lie and tell everyone you always support the police.


Count on it girlie.

"Girlie"?  What are you, a 19th-century plantation owner?

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(September 24, 2020 at 11:37 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2020 at 11:29 am)Divinity Wrote: If you break into someone's house unannounced?  Fuck no, it's not sufficient.

Did they act properly in serving the warrant?

No, they did not.  They went in looking for someone who had been arrested earlier that day, in some half-assed attempt on the 'war on drugs' which is fucking stupid to begin with.  They then shot a woman in her own home, after her boyfriend defended himself against their invasion.  Them having a warrant means fuck all.

(September 24, 2020 at 11:40 am)Divinity Wrote:

(September 24, 2020 at 11:31 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Just like them hippie chicks who spit on soldiers coming back from Nam. Some day you will lie and tell everyone you always support the police.


Count on it girlie.

"Girlie"?  What are you, a 19th-century plantation owner?

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(September 24, 2020 at 11:37 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Did they act properly in serving the warrant?

No, they did not.  They went in looking for someone who had been arrested earlier that day, in some half-assed attempt on the 'war on drugs' which is fucking stupid to begin with.  They then shot a woman in her own home, after her boyfriend defended himself against their invasion.  Them having a warrant means fuck all.

Them having a warrant does mean fuck all.  That’s why they exist.   They are not responsible for issuing the warrant.  They are responsible for serving it.     If there is not strong cause That would reasonably compel them to believe the warrant is illegal, then the warrant does mean fuck all in establishing whether self defense Proportional to threat in their position is culpable or not.   Shooting at the shooter is proportional self defence. Shooting at the next apartment is not.

Good, If anything Breonna's family shuld be charged, She stole police property, She has five of their bullets, the nerve!

(September 24, 2020 at 11:44 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2020 at 11:40 am)Divinity Wrote: "Girlie"?  What are you, a 19th-century plantation owner?

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No, they did not.  They went in looking for someone who had been arrested earlier that day, in some half-assed attempt on the 'war on drugs' which is fucking stupid to begin with.  They then shot a woman in her own home, after her boyfriend defended himself against their invasion.  Them having a warrant means fuck all.

Them having a warrant does mean fuck all.  That’s why they exist.   They are not responsible for issuing the warrant.  They are responsible for serving it.     If there is not strong cause That would reasonably lead them to believe the warrant is illegal, then the warrant does mean fuck all in establishing whether self defense in their position is culpable or not.

It's her universe.

She makes all the rules.


If she says a warrant means nothing - that's it.

(September 24, 2020 at 11:44 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Them having a warrant does mean fuck all.  That’s why they exist.

It's abso-fucking-lutely meaningless.  They did not announce themselves.  They went bust in, and gee... the man living there took them to be home invaders.  Gee I wonder-fucking why.  Surely he knew they had a warrant to search the place!

Give me a fucking break.  

Police don't get to just break into people's homes.  If you don't see why that's a bad idea then I suggest you go back to school and ask your teachers to explain it to you.

Quote:Just like them hippie chicks who spit on soldiers coming back from Nam.

See your big on urban myths .

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/opini...ester.html

Quote: Some day you will lie and tell everyone you always support the police.

Yeah no 

Quote:Count on it girlie.

Girlie seriously 

(September 24, 2020 at 11:48 am)Divinity Wrote:

(September 24, 2020 at 11:44 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Them having a warrant does mean fuck all.  That’s why they exist.

It's abso-fucking-lutely meaningless.  They did not announce themselves.  They went bust in, and gee... the man living there took them to be home invaders.  Gee I wonder-fucking why.  Surely he knew they had a warrant to search the place!

Give me a fucking break.  

Police don't get to just break into people's homes.  If you don't see why that's a bad idea then I suggest you go back to school and ask your teachers to explain it to you.

Has it been accepted practice for the police to not announce themselves?  If it has, then the argument that they have personal calpability for not announcing themselves would seem very much a case of punishing the scapegoat because they seem easy.

Which is rather the same basic thing as racism, would you not agree?

Quote:It's her universe.

She makes all the rules.


If she says a warrant means nothing - that's it.

As opposed to you . Who thinks the cops having a warrant negates the fact they broke into this persons house and expected no resistance. Yeah that realistic 

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(September 24, 2020 at 11:54 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2020 at 11:48 am)Divinity Wrote: It's abso-fucking-lutely meaningless.  They did not announce themselves.  They went bust in, and gee... the man living there took them to be home invaders.  Gee I wonder-fucking why.  Surely he knew they had a warrant to search the place!

Give me a fucking break.  

Police don't get to just break into people's homes.  If you don't see why that's a bad idea then I suggest you go back to school and ask your teachers to explain it to you.

Has it been accepted practice for the police to not announce themselves?  If it has, then the argument that they have personal calpability for not announcing themselves would seem very much a case of punishing the scapegoat because they seem easy.

Which is rather the same basic thing as racism, would you not agree?

And them not doing so caused all this so no . And no it's nothing racism . That's an absurd comparison

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(September 24, 2020 at 11:44 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(September 24, 2020 at 11:40 am)Divinity Wrote: "Girlie"?  What are you, a 19th-century plantation owner?

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No, they did not.  They went in looking for someone who had been arrested earlier that day, in some half-assed attempt on the 'war on drugs' which is fucking stupid to begin with.  They then shot a woman in her own home, after her boyfriend defended himself against their invasion.  Them having a warrant means fuck all.

Them having a warrant does mean fuck all.  That’s why they exist.   They are not responsible for issuing the warrant.  They are responsible for serving it.     If there is not strong cause That would reasonably compel them to believe the warrant is illegal, then the warrant does mean fuck all in establishing whether self defense Proportional to threat in their position is culpable or not.   Shooting at the shooter is proportional self defence. Shooting at the next apartment is not.

Not if you are breaking into there house unannounced it's not

Let's back up a minute...the cops were at the wrong address.

Seems like more than an "oops, my bad" to me.

If you are going to go with a no-knock at least make sure you are at the right place. Seems obvious, and simple.