(October 18, 2020 at 8:13 pm)Sal Wrote: hmm, I'm confident that Trump will be "kept under tabs" after the election results are confirmed, if Biden wins. Anything else would be too high a security risk for the U.S.

Given how the crazy son of a bitch has trampled over every other institution, do you really believe that?

(October 18, 2020 at 8:35 pm)Fireball Wrote:

(October 18, 2020 at 8:13 pm)Sal Wrote: hmm, I'm confident that Trump will be "kept under tabs" after the election results are confirmed, if Biden wins. Anything else would be too high a security risk for the U.S.

Given how the crazy son of a bitch has trampled over every other institution, do you really believe that?

The puppeteers will. Trump won't, obviously.

(October 18, 2020 at 7:33 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Trump likely holds many secrets which would cause grave harm if released to an adversary like Russia. Obviously he won't have access to anything once he's out of office but just revealing policies and procedures related to nukes would be highly dangerous. It's total naivete to think his defection to Russia would be anything but a disaster.

I personally hope there is a black-ops wing of the CIA which would take him down rather than allow that. We're probably in uncharted territory here. There have been some really bad past presidents but I don't think treason was a realistic concern with any of them. It could happen with Trump.

His defection would no doubt do enormous harm.    But it is not on par with the harm he has already done by discrediting the US as an reliable alliance partner, an reliable treaty partner, and upholder of equitable international institution fundamental to a world that is not a free for all.    Under Trump collapse of the US as a world leader is nearly as quick and complete as that of the USSR in 1989.   So I don’t think the harm of his defection would compared to the harm that can come from the contimued survival of trumpism as a major political force in the US.  But Trump defecting to the Russians will end trumpism and their more conspicuously enablers decisively as political forceS in the US.

I personally hope the CIA will ensure his defection is not thwarted, so it will end trumpism here.   If his treason is thwarted, his minion will call the attempt “fake news” conceited by the “deep state”.   So his treason must succeed.  If he reviews at Putin’s side russian tanks parading in the red square next May 1st, it would be but a superficial humiliation for the US that would disguise a profound national catharsis.

(October 18, 2020 at 11:23 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(October 18, 2020 at 7:33 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Trump likely holds many secrets which would cause grave harm if released to an adversary like Russia. Obviously he won't have access to anything once he's out of office but just revealing policies and procedures related to nukes would be highly dangerous. It's total naivete to think his defection to Russia would be anything but a disaster.

I personally hope there is a black-ops wing of the CIA which would take him down rather than allow that. We're probably in uncharted territory here. There have been some really bad past presidents but I don't think treason was a realistic concern with any of them. It could happen with Trump.

His defection would no doubt do enormous harm.    But it is not on par with the harm he has already done by discrediting the US as an reliable alliance partner, an reliable treaty partner, and upholder of equitable international institution fundamental to a world that is not a free for all.    Under Trump collapse of the US as a world leader is nearly as quick and complete as that of the USSR in 1989.   So I don’t think the harm of his defection would compared to the harm that can come from the contimued survival of trumpism as a major political force in the US.  But Trump defecting to the Russians will end trumpism and their more conspicuously enablers decisively as political forceS in the US.

I personally hope the CIA will ensure his defection is not thwarted, so it will end trumpism here.   If his treason is thwarted, his minion will call the attempt “fake news” conceited by the “deep state”.   So his treason must succeed.  If he reviews at Putin’s side russian tanks parading in the red square next May 1st, it would be but a superficial humiliation for the US that would disguise a profound national catharsis.

It's pretty obvious that you aren't a native speaker of American English. Be that as it may, I'd like to have you help me understand how the collapse of the US as a world leader will be nearly as quick and complete as that of the USSR in 1989.

He is not "threatening to leave"; he is telling everybody that he won't be around to get trialed and sent to jail for the crimes he did.

i.e he's giving an early justification for his departure to Russia or SA to escape "Hillary's scheme" which is in reality "the American trial for his criminal ass".

He can be a refugee in the house of Saud. I'm sure MBS would love to house him

(October 19, 2020 at 12:23 am)Fireball Wrote:

(October 18, 2020 at 11:23 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: His defection would no doubt do enormous harm.    But it is not on par with the harm he has already done by discrediting the US as an reliable alliance partner, an reliable treaty partner, and upholder of equitable international institution fundamental to a world that is not a free for all.    Under Trump collapse of the US as a world leader is nearly as quick and complete as that of the USSR in 1989.   So I don’t think the harm of his defection would compared to the harm that can come from the contimued survival of trumpism as a major political force in the US.  But Trump defecting to the Russians will end trumpism and their more conspicuously enablers decisively as political forceS in the US.

I personally hope the CIA will ensure his defection is not thwarted, so it will end trumpism here.   If his treason is thwarted, his minion will call the attempt “fake news” conceited by the “deep state”.   So his treason must succeed.  If he reviews at Putin’s side russian tanks parading in the red square next May 1st, it would be but a superficial humiliation for the US that would disguise a profound national catharsis.

It's pretty obvious that you aren't a native speaker of American English. Be that as it may, I'd like to have you help me understand how the collapse of the US as a world leader will be nearly as quick and complete as that of the USSR in 1989.

Aah caint belieave no dawgone ray-ed neck wet dawg gonna call me ain’t a native speaker be-fo-ah Y’all.   Aah'm gonna git you, Bubba!

His two snot nosed sons and Jarod kushner wouldn’t last a week in Russia before they mouth off to the russian Mafia and find themselves duct taped to chairs inside burning buildings.

Israel would have him, he's very popular with conservatives there.

(October 20, 2020 at 9:54 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Israel would have him, he's very popular with conservatives there.

Israel would not risk an open breach with the next administration, much as Natenayahu would love to try to subvert it through elements of the Israel lobby.