(November 15, 2020 at 9:15 am)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(November 14, 2020 at 9:35 pm)AngelOfDeath Wrote: I think, and according to God's description, God created everything, and everything means literally everything, which includes math.
Saying Gods (plural) mean nothing since God created math in the first place.
Also, saying that God has power means nothing since he created power in the first place.
Saying that someone created him also means nothing for the same reason.
God should be described as the one who created everything, no matter what your mind can dive deep into.
God should be only described as whoever created everything, and that is it.

Please describe the mechanism by which God allegedly created everything ex nihilo.

I was defining the term God, not claiming.

For example, a human is whoever has a brain and consciousness, etc...

(November 15, 2020 at 10:34 am)AngelOfDeath Wrote:

(November 15, 2020 at 9:15 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: Please describe the mechanism by which God allegedly created everything ex nihilo.

I was defining the therm God, not claiming.

For example, I human is whoever has a brain and consciousness, etc...

Is English your second language?

It would be helpful if we know that is the case.

(November 15, 2020 at 9:50 am)Eleven Wrote: Your argument fails in two ways.

First, we as humans can hold other humans accountable for their actions. Secondly, prove a god exists in order for there to be a god to dole out punishment fit for his station.

I'm afraid you'll need to provide more detail here. What does humans holding other humans accountable for their actions have to do with God holding us accountable?

If you're saying that we're unable to hold God accountable as we are able to hold each other accountable, who says God has sinned? You? I already told you that because His intentions are good, and ours evil, that He is justified and we are not. It really is that simple.

God was never meant to be proven. As the Scriptures say, His existence is self-evident. If you don't believe in His existence, that's your problem, in fact it's your punishment for your sins.

(November 14, 2020 at 9:35 pm)AngelOfDeath Wrote: I think, and according to God's description, God created everything, and everything means literally everything, which includes math.
Saying Gods (plural) mean nothing since God created math in the first place.
Also, saying that God has power means nothing since he created power in the first place.
Saying that someone created him also means nothing for the same reason.
God should be described as the one who created everything, no matter what your mind can dive deep into.
God should be only described as whoever created everything, and that is it.

Wow, god can do everything except demonstrate that it exists. How wonderful.

Enjoy your crutch.

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(November 15, 2020 at 10:54 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: God was never meant to be proven. As the Scriptures say, His existence is self-evident. If you don't believe in His existence, that's your problem, in fact it's your punishment for your sins.

It exists because someone told you it exists. Brilliant.

(November 15, 2020 at 10:54 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: God was never meant to be proven.

Then by this admission, there is no reason to believe in god.

(November 15, 2020 at 10:56 am)brewer Wrote: It exists because someone told you it exists. Brilliant.

That isn't why I believe in His existence. If you'd paid attention to what I actually wrote, I said that it is self-evident.

One must truly be blind to see our universe, with all its symmetry, harmony, the precision in its laws and beauty in their applications, and not see purposeful and wonderful design.

Yet some people, many even, think such things are possible from chaotic explosions of matter, matter of an inexplicable origin...yeah, it's downright stupid not to believe in God. Only fools say He doesn't exist.

Theistic arguments never change because theists remain blind to reason.

(November 15, 2020 at 11:04 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:

(November 15, 2020 at 10:56 am)brewer Wrote: It exists because someone told you it exists. Brilliant.

That isn't why I believe in His existence. If you'd paid attention to what I actually wrote, I said that it is self-evident.

One must truly be blind to see our universe, with all its symmetry, harmony, the precision in its laws and beauty in their applications, and not see purposeful and wonderful design.

Yet some people, many even, think such things are possible from chaotic explosions of matter, matter of an inexplicable origin...yeah, it's downright stupid not to believe in God. Only fools say He doesn't exist.

Self evident because of scripture. Scripture not written by you. Not a whole lot of "self" in there.

God only exists as a concept made by man. Arguing design is a mental crutch.

(November 15, 2020 at 10:54 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:

(November 15, 2020 at 9:50 am)Eleven Wrote: Your argument fails in two ways.

First, we as humans can hold other humans accountable for their actions. Secondly, prove a god exists in order for there to be a god to dole out punishment fit for his station.

I'm afraid you'll need to provide more detail here. What does humans holding other humans accountable for their actions have to do with God holding us accountable?

If you're saying that we're unable to hold God accountable as we are able to hold each other accountable, who says God has sinned? You? I already told you that because His intentions are good, and ours evil, that He is justified and we are not. It really is that simple.

God was never meant to be proven. As the Scriptures say, His existence is self-evident. If you don't believe in His existence, that's your problem, in fact it's your punishment for your sins.

Then your seemingly endless attempts to prove god are pretty senseless and just a case of you enjoying the sound of your own voice.

(November 15, 2020 at 10:56 am)brewer Wrote:

(November 14, 2020 at 9:35 pm)AngelOfDeath Wrote: I think, and according to God's description, God created everything, and everything means literally everything, which includes math.
Saying Gods (plural) mean nothing since God created math in the first place.
Also, saying that God has power means nothing since he created power in the first place.
Saying that someone created him also means nothing for the same reason.
God should be described as the one who created everything, no matter what your mind can dive deep into.
God should be only described as whoever created everything, and that is it.

Wow, god can do everything except demonstrate that it exists. How wonderful.

Enjoy your crutch.

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(November 15, 2020 at 10:54 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: God was never meant to be proven. As the Scriptures say, His existence is self-evident. If you don't believe in His existence, that's your problem, in fact it's your punishment for your sins.

It exists because someone told you it exists. Brilliant.

Why are you claiming that he can't? What about the will? Why would you assume that he need to do what you ask/want? We all hid stuff from each other, not necessarily because we can't but also because we don't want to for some reason. But sometimes when others do that to us, we forget and start making excuses like this one.