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Separation of Science and State
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 15, 2020 at 8:10 pm
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2020 at 8:11 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 15, 2020 at 6:10 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: -a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, i.e., things set apart and forbidden—beliefs and practices which unite in one single moral community called a Church, all those who adhere to them.
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 (November 13, 2020 at 2:51 am)Sal Wrote: To the OP: No. As long as science doesn't subordinate itself to state.
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November 15, 2020 at 8:22 pm
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 15, 2020 at 8:26 pm
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2020 at 8:27 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Do you understand how it answers the question you asked me? Religion is explicitly defined and recognized by normative content - this is why religions cannot avoid making normative statements.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 15, 2020 at 8:27 pm
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2020 at 8:37 pm by John 6IX Breezy.)
I wouldn't have asked you to elaborate if I did.
Do you now?
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 (November 15, 2020 at 12:20 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:(November 14, 2020 at 3:59 pm)Apollo Wrote: There are three fundamental pillars of a society that always interplay: Knowledge, governance, and behavior. Knowledge is basically science—knowing the nature of things (time and space, and manifestations of laws of nature) and use that to survive. Religion is many things for sure—framework to define and enforce moral code (governance) etc—but first and foremost it is a discipline that makes claims—claims rooted in reality as it sees it. This is similar to making deductive inferences and forming hypothesis and theories. Existence of god, afterlife, causal relationships between deeds and calamities etc (sins) are all hypothesis and theories that develop the basis on which religion further concocts social moral code and laws etc. RE: Separation of Science and State
November 15, 2020 at 8:36 pm
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(November 15, 2020 at 8:31 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Do you now? All you did was repeat yourself (November 15, 2020 at 8:33 pm)Apollo Wrote: ...it is a discipline that makes claims—claims rooted in reality as it sees it. This is similar to making deductive inferences and forming hypothesis and theories. Religion is not a premitive form of science because it's claims tend to be established through revelation not experimentation. RE: Separation of Science and State
November 15, 2020 at 9:09 pm
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2020 at 9:14 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 15, 2020 at 8:36 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:(November 15, 2020 at 8:31 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Do you now? So, no? Just to be clear, you still don't understand why a thing described as Quote:a set of beliefs and practices which unite in one single moral community called a Church, all those who adhere to them .....cannot avoid making normative statements? What sort of things do you think are established through revelation? Starts with an n, rhymes with ormative.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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