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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 2:29 am
What about being united into a moral whole is unclear?
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 2:35 am
It's unclear why you've constrained something as broad as religion into something so specific.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 2:39 am
(This post was last modified: November 16, 2020 at 2:40 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I didn't, that's durkeims definition of a religion . It's been widely employed for quite some time because it seems to capture the essence of what we mean when we use the term religion - and particularly because of it's hypothetical breadth as compared to other definitions of a religion.
But...to be clear...do you think that there's something wrong with durkheims definition of a religion - which you previously stated echoed your own position...., or are you unclear on how religion as defined by durkeim is incapable of avoiding normative statements?
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 2:53 am
(November 15, 2020 at 8:20 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: (November 13, 2020 at 2:51 am)Sal Wrote: To the OP: No.
As long as science doesn't subordinate itself to state.
You're correct, of course, I was just annoyed at the time at the same pretend tennis match, without the net.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 2:57 am
How many times do I have to answer yes it's unclear before you make any attempt at elaborating?
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 3:01 am
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Moral content is normative content. Being united into a moral whole is interchangeable with being united in a normative whole.
The normative content is the reason for our separation of church and state.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 3:02 am
(November 15, 2020 at 8:31 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Do you now?
You have to remember that - being poisoned by religious 'thought' - his Experience is very different from the vantage point of a poisoned state than any other non-poisoned human, in thoughts, speech, even basic behavior. ... You probably already know, I just wanted to make this clear to anyone reading this.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 3:04 am
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His definition dissociated church from religion. He stated that moral communities are called a Church. You're saying the moral community is the religion.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 3:09 am
To be clear, no problem with his definition, and you do understand (at least now) why a religion (so defined) is not capable of avoiding normative statements?
As to the above, did it? Let's look again.
A religion is a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, that is to say, things set apart and forbidden–beliefs and practices which unite in one single moral community called a Church, all those who adhere to them.
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RE: Separation of Science and State
November 16, 2020 at 3:11 am
Does he distinguish church from religion?
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