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RE: Aren't Judaism and Aryanism the same thing?
December 3, 2020 at 4:28 pm
(December 3, 2020 at 4:00 pm)Sweden83 Wrote: (December 3, 2020 at 3:55 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Yes, aryanism is what the nazis proposed.
Well i cant link it yet. So you probably arent gonna find the map of migration theory.
Also as someone who has studied history. Reason Judaism became even a thing was because empires warred at Canaan all the time " vassal state Canaan "belonging to Egypt at the time" was an alltime warzone. So having a belief you were superior was what came out of it. I guess the same idea flourished in Germany with a chosen race of their own. It was 3 factors
1: Poverty, inflation.
2: Scapegoating
3: Make yourself feel like you are worth something
But Judaism and Aryanism kind of share that same mentality of how it was made.
(December 3, 2020 at 3:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Tell me what you think 'Hebrews' means.
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A semitic group of middle east region, particular to Israel.
Nope.
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RE: Aren't Judaism and Aryanism the same thing?
December 3, 2020 at 4:32 pm
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The name it used "?????" which means Israel, or (j.s.r.ʔ.l) in latin letters, old hebrew letters (canaanite language). Its said to mean "Ancient Kingdom" on reference, which is different to what i am used too? Which is "Triumphant with God
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RE: Aren't Judaism and Aryanism the same thing?
December 3, 2020 at 4:48 pm
(December 3, 2020 at 4:32 pm)Sweden83 Wrote: The name it used "?????" which means Israel, or (j.s.r.ʔ.l) in latin letters, old hebrew letters (canaanite language). Its said to mean "Ancient Kingdom" on reference, which is different to what i am used too? Which is "Triumphant with God
Closer. ‘Hebrew’, when referring to people, is essentially a synonym for Jew (although the term is now considered somewhat derogatory - no Jewish person refers to himself as ‘a Hebrew’).
So what your asking is actually, ‘Why don’t Jews repudiate Judaism?’ That’s a remarkably stupid question.
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RE: Aren't Judaism and Aryanism the same thing?
December 3, 2020 at 4:59 pm
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(December 3, 2020 at 4:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (December 3, 2020 at 4:32 pm)Sweden83 Wrote: The name it used "?????" which means Israel, or (j.s.r.ʔ.l) in latin letters, old hebrew letters (canaanite language). Its said to mean "Ancient Kingdom" on reference, which is different to what i am used too? Which is "Triumphant with God
Closer. ‘Hebrew’, when referring to people, is essentially a synonym for Jew (although the term is now considered somewhat derogatory - no Jewish person refers to himself as ‘a Hebrew’).
So what your asking is actually, ‘Why don’t Jews repudiate Judaism?’ That’s a remarkably stupid question.
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Well i guess if you dont call Germans for Aryans, that means you are being derogatory towards them? That doesnt make sense though
I just dont see how its ok for one belief system to believe in racist ideas is all? But i dont see Hebrews as derogatory. You dont think using Hindus is derogatory towards Indians do you?
Although when i think about it. Mormonism i guess is the closest to Aryan Religion (not that i believe in it)
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RE: Aren't Judaism and Aryanism the same thing?
December 3, 2020 at 5:18 pm
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RE: Aren't Judaism and Aryanism the same thing?
December 3, 2020 at 5:20 pm
(December 3, 2020 at 4:59 pm)Sweden83 Wrote: (December 3, 2020 at 4:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Closer. ‘Hebrew’, when referring to people, is essentially a synonym for Jew (although the term is now considered somewhat derogatory - no Jewish person refers to himself as ‘a Hebrew’).
So what your asking is actually, ‘Why don’t Jews repudiate Judaism?’ That’s a remarkably stupid question.
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Well i guess if you dont call Germans for Aryans, that means you are being derogatory towards them? That doesnt make sense though
I just dont see how its ok for one belief system to believe in racist ideas is all? But i dont see Hebrews as derogatory. You dont think using Hindus is derogatory towards Indians do you?
Although when i think about it. Mormonism i guess is the closest to Aryan Religion (not that i believe in it)
1. That’s because ‘German’ and ‘Aryan’ don’t mean the same thing.
2. It ISN’T ok for a belief system to be racist, but it’s probably unavoidable, given the nature of belief systems.
3. If you don’t think ‘Hebrews’ is derogatory, go to the next gathering at your local synagogue and shout out, ‘Wazzup, my Hebrews!!’
4. ‘Hindu’ is the name of a religion to which a majority of Indians (a nationality) belong, so of course it isn’t derogatory - it’s descriptive. But the cases aren’t at all parallel.
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RE: Aren't Judaism and Aryanism the same thing?
December 3, 2020 at 5:41 pm
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Even assuming that the Aryan Migration is accurate and the Germans are among their descendants (along with virtually all the peoples of Europe except for the Basques, what with their all using Indo-European languages), A) the name Aryan has been tainted by its association with the Nazis and the bullshit racial theories that were attached to it, and B) frankly, using the term Aryan for a modern group because their ancestors 4 millennia ago bore the same name is just strange and antiquated when the culture has changed so much since then and acquired different names that have stuck.
Also, claiming that the original Aryan religion was most similar to a faith which claims the original inhabitants of America were white and became darker-skinned as a result of God cursing the survivors after a war isn’t really helping your case.
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RE: Aren't Judaism and Aryanism the same thing?
December 3, 2020 at 5:52 pm
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He didn't ask us whether germans should denounce being german. I think he knows the difference. It's okay, this might have been the first time he'd ever tried that argument. It went pear shaped, so now we're on the the blood portion of blood and soil.
Interestingly enough, it turns out that "aryan" languages..german, english, swedish.... are oddballs in the indo-european group for a strong relationship to semitic languages. That probably suggests..oh... what should we call it, mixed heritage?
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RE: Aren't Judaism and Aryanism the same thing?
December 3, 2020 at 6:08 pm
(December 3, 2020 at 5:41 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Also, claiming that the original Aryan religion was most similar to a faith which claims the original inhabitants of America were white and became darker-skinned as a result of God cursing the survivors after a war isn’t really helping your case.
I actually read Book of Mormon once (well Audiobook of it) and i dont remember that part in the book. But i guess for whatever reason in the 70s they said God has made it ok if you are black, and they probably now view it as a symbolic curse. (But then again i have not asked what Mormons mean when they say that to begin with)
Although what is interesting with Racism and slavery is, USA had actual racism when it came to slavery so its why its mistrust even to this day that political groups have found ways to exploit peoples emotions on it. Unlike South America that also had slavery, but it didnt actually have racism. So they get along fine with one another
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RE: Aren't Judaism and Aryanism the same thing?
December 3, 2020 at 6:11 pm
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Yikes. South America isn't a racism free zone. Never has been. Wasn't before the colonials showed up...certainly hasn't been since.
Which political groups exploiting which emotions? Anything in specific...american racism is kind of like wine to me. True to american form, our racists are a fractious lot.
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