(January 1, 2021 at 12:36 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 1, 2021 at 12:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I really hate the bullshit objection to pet surgery. Humans get anesthesia all the time.

The objection is to pet mutilation, not pet surgery.

Boru

Oh for fucks sake, if you eat any kind of meat, cow, pig, anything, shut up.

The pet gets put under, they do not feel a thing while under. After they come out, they feel discomfort for a brief time. But that is the same for humans.

My current cat is 13 and happy as hell. He has no memory of being declawed, and he is happy as hell.

(January 1, 2021 at 12:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 1, 2021 at 12:36 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The objection is to pet mutilation, not pet surgery.

Boru

Oh for fucks sake, if you eat any kind of meat, cow, pig, anything, shut up.

The pet gets put under, they do not feel a thing while under. After they come out, they feel discomfort for a brief time. But that is the same for humans.

My current cat is 13 and happy as hell. He has no memory of being declawed, and he is happy as hell.

It’s got nothing to do with eating meat and everything to do with the welfare of the cat. Declawing (I’m getting to hate that term) is done for the benefit of people, it offers no benefits - and has been shown to be detrimental - to cats.

Anyone who would declaw a cat or even approve of declawing a cat isn’t fit to have a cat.

Boru

(January 1, 2021 at 12:41 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Can we object to using loaded terms in a discussion?








Or would I get my balls cut off?

What loaded terms? ‘Mutilation’ isn’t loaded, it’s accurately descriptive of the procedure.

Boru

(January 1, 2021 at 1:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 1, 2021 at 12:41 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Can we object to using loaded terms in a discussion?








Or would I get my balls cut off?

What loaded terms? ‘Mutilation’ isn’t loaded, it’s accurately descriptive of the procedure.

Boru

Oh, it's loaded.

(January 1, 2021 at 12:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 1, 2021 at 12:14 pm)Mermaid Wrote: Because it's a natural action, and without claws, they can't exercise their back and neck muscles normally. 

Declawing is so wrong.

My cat is 13 years old, he is happy as hell. I also keep him inside too.

I understand, and this is not an attack on you. I understand what it's like to have a happy cat, and I have no doubt that yours is happy as hell. I love cats so very much, and I have no doubt you love yours. 

I let my cats outside when they want to go out, and am often judged for that. They're happy as hell, too. 

That being said, I will continue to put considerable effort into anti-declawing legislation and measures. I am in the veterinary medicine field and it's a growing sentiment among my peers.

(January 1, 2021 at 1:50 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(January 1, 2021 at 1:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: What loaded terms? ‘Mutilation’ isn’t loaded, it’s accurately descriptive of the procedure.

Boru

Oh, it's loaded.

Of course it isn’t. Elective removal  of a body part that does not benefit the health or comfort of a patient is mutilation. Cutting off part of your cat’s toes because you don’t want your furniture scratched certainly qualifies.

Boru

(January 1, 2021 at 2:07 pm)Mermaid Wrote:

(January 1, 2021 at 12:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote: My cat is 13 years old, he is happy as hell. I also keep him inside too.

I understand, and this is not an attack on you. I understand what it's like to have a happy cat, and I have no doubt that yours is happy as hell. I love cats so very much, and I have no doubt you love yours. 

I let my cats outside when they want to go out, and am often judged for that. They're happy as hell, too. 

That being said, I will continue to put considerable effort into anti-declawing legislation and measures. I am in the veterinary medicine field and it's a growing sentiment among my peers.

It’s actually illegal here (and lots of other places). Can get you a year in prison and heavy fines.

Boru

(January 1, 2021 at 2:07 pm)Mermaid Wrote:

(January 1, 2021 at 12:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote: My cat is 13 years old, he is happy as hell. I also keep him inside too.

I understand, and this is not an attack on you. I understand what it's like to have a happy cat, and I have no doubt that yours is happy as hell. I love cats so very much, and I have no doubt you love yours. 

I let my cats outside when they want to go out, and am often judged for that. They're happy as hell, too. 

That being said, I will continue to put considerable effort into anti-declawing legislation and measures. I am in the veterinary medicine field and it's a growing sentiment among my peers.

My dad was a veterinarian.  He simply did not like cats at all.  But he was also against declawing them, way before being against it was the norm.

Our vets don't do it. Period, end of discussion.

(January 1, 2021 at 2:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 1, 2021 at 1:50 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Oh, it's loaded.

Of course it isn’t. Elective removal  of a body part that does not benefit the health or comfort of a patient is mutilation. Cutting off part of your cat’s toes because you don’t want your furniture scratched certainly qualifies.

Boru

It's not loaded because it would be loaded if it was loaded, which it is. Got it.

(January 1, 2021 at 2:16 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(January 1, 2021 at 2:09 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Of course it isn’t. Elective removal  of a body part that does not benefit the health or comfort of a patient is mutilation. Cutting off part of your cat’s toes because you don’t want your furniture scratched certainly qualifies.

Boru

It's not loaded because it would be loaded if it was  loaded, which it is. Got it.

It’s not loaded because it’s intended to be correctly descriptive, not emotive. So you don’t ‘got it’.

Boru