Those who abuse freedom ruin it for the rest of us.  Like in high school, when we had open campus.  So many were leaving at lunch hour to smoke and drink, the administration closed campus.  After that, we had to smoke and drink before, during and after school.  That's why we can't have nice things.

(January 15, 2021 at 12:05 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: They are not only censoring incitement to riot. They are taking down whole platforms like Parlor (I don't really know what Parlor is and have never visited it, but I know it's anti-American to take it down). I'm not talking about incitement to riot. I believe Biden won, but questioning the election results should absolutely be allowed. Questioning the World Health Organization should absolutely be allowed. Questioning any official story should absolutely be allowed. It's anti-American to not allow it, and it's beside the point that the government itself isn't the one doing the censoring. The mass censorship is having the same effect basically.

Think of Parler as a combination of Twitter and Instagram, but populated mostly by far right wing nutjobs who spew every sort of wingnut conspiracy and hate you've ever heard.  Platforms like Twitter and Parler work by storing all that information people post on servers (which are mostly rented), which are connected to the Internet via some Internet Service Provider (ISP).  If the company who owns the servers or the ISP doesn't want to be associated with hate speech, don't you think it's their decision to make to kick the service off their hardware?  Think of it like this, if Hobby Lobby were to go into the datacenter business or purchase an ISP and someone came up with a newfangled porn app, should Hobby Lobby be forced to host it?  Anyway, they will probably find some douchebag company that will be happy to host it and it will be back up soon.  I mean, Pornhub has no problem getting a host and that's pretty sleazy.

Quote:Do you support new domestic terrorism laws being put into law like Biden wants? Like the Republicans want? Did you support the anti-American Patriot Act after 9/11? This is the same shit all over again. Your rights are going down the tube.

You can't really blame him, can you?  I also never imagined we would need metal detectors to go to a football game, but that's where we are.

What's wrong with punishing these type of people with laws that already exist? Don't you think sufficient laws already exist? You want a new Patriot Act? Did you support the original one? If so, did you not eventually see that that was a really, really bad idea?

Quote:The far left spent last summer shitting all over law and order.

The left bein a few angry kids that smashed some stuff up while the rest peacefully objected to police brutality 

Quote:Now the far right does the same.

The right as in a group of insurrectionists that stormed the state-building.Threatened the lives of government officials and attempted sedition no matter how much you deny this fact. 

Quote:Neither has any room to bitch about the other.

False because the two things aren't even remotely the same. No matter how much whataboutism you attempt.

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Quote:Or it's mountains out of molehills......

Or your so determined to maintain your delusional narrative you are immune to reality

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Quote:It was really dumb to storm the capitol and these people should be punished, but whatever new laws are put in place about domestic terrorism or whatever else I find far more terrifying than a small number of idiots storming a building and causing a handful of deaths. The politicians act outraged, but they are really overjoyed that this took place, just like they were when 9/11 happened. Now they get to take away people's rights even further, and censorship is off the charts now. Just what they wanted. What the politicians can and will do, if far more terrifying than what the Trumpers did. That's my takeaway from all of this.

"Censorship"(private companies being allowed to run their platform as they see fit and cracking down violent extremist movements' ability to use the internet to radicalize people ) is not off the charts. You have no right to twitter or book publisher those aren't rights. Lastly not every anti-terrorism bill is the freaking patriot act.

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Quote:They are not only censoring incitement to riot. They are taking down whole platforms like Parlor (I don't really know what Parlor is and have never visited it, but I know it's anti-American to take it down). 

Were people were inciting riots and plotting criminal acts, And it wasn't taken down other business simply refused to work with them and that is their right.

Quote:I'm not talking about incitement to riot.

Irrelevant 

Quote:I believe Biden won, but questioning the election results should absolutely be allowed. 

Spreading lies and dangerous misinformation about the election lead to this nonsense. No more!

Quote:Questioning the World Health Organization should absolutely be allowed.

Spreading lies and dangerous misinformation has lead to the deaths of thousands. No more!

Quote: Questioning any official story should absolutely be allowed.

Spreading lies and misinformation to serve an agenda should not be allowed because we have seen the results.No more!

Quote: It's anti-American to not allow it,

Tolerance for lies and misinformation is Anti American 

Quote: and it's beside the point that the government itself isn't the one doing the censoring

No that's the point in total. You have NO RIGHT to social media it's a privilege and one that can be taken away. You have NO RIGHT to a book publisher. You have NO RIGHT to force companies to do business with this group or that group. Those are not RIGHTS!

Quote:The mass censorship is having the same effect basically.

Accept the simple fact you have no RIGHT to any of the above 

Quote:Do you support new domestic terrorism laws being put into law like Biden wants? Like the Republicans want? Did you support the anti-American Patriot Act after 9/11? This is the same shit all over again. Your rights are going down the tube.

Not every anti-terrorism law is the freaking patriot act

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Quote:What's wrong with punishing these type of people with laws that already exist? 

Because they don't far enough in punishing the seditious clowns 

Quote:Don't you think sufficient laws already exist? You want a new Patriot Act? Did you support the original one? 

Not every anti-terrorism law is the patriot act

Quote:If so, did you not eventually see that that was a really, really bad idea?

Not every anti-terrorism law is the patriot act (I'm getting tired of repeating this)

(January 15, 2021 at 12:05 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(January 15, 2021 at 11:50 am)Brian37 Wrote: Um no, this is nuts. 

Tell me exactly who is being censored for private companies banning incitement to violence? That one GOP lady congresswoman with a mask with the word "censored" on it, when she spoke in the House chamber, was covered by CSPAN, Fox News, MSNBC and CNN AND PBS. 

Freedom of speech only refers to what the government isn't allowed to silence. Incitement to violence is not protected speech regardless. What Facebook and Twitter did in banning Trump was not censorship. He violated their terms of service, and they gave him a ton of slack before cutting him off. Trump could have stayed on those platforms if he had simply stopped selling dangerous lies and pouring gas on the fire knowing his followers would act out on his words. 

Part of the free market is allowing a private business to refuse service, just like a bar owner has every right to toss out an unruly patron who is shouting and trying to start fights with others.

They are not only censoring incitement to riot. They are taking down whole platforms like Parlor (I don't really know what Parlor is and have never visited it, but I know it's anti-American to take it down). I'm not talking about incitement to riot. I believe Biden won, but questioning the election results should absolutely be allowed. Questioning the World Health Organization should absolutely be allowed. Questioning any official story should absolutely be allowed. It's anti-American to not allow it, and it's beside the point that the government itself isn't the one doing the censoring. The mass censorship is having the same effect basically.

Do you support new domestic terrorism laws being put into law like Biden wants? Like the Republicans want? Did you support the anti-American Patriot Act after 9/11? This is the same shit all over again. Your rights are going down the tube.

Um no. Apple is a private business. They are not required by force to put up all apps because that app wants to be on their service. Apple had repeatedly warned Parlor to shape up, and they did not. Apple has the right to refuse service. 

And knock it off with the two parties are the same bullshit.

Now if you want a better argument. I have long since hated growing monopolies. Those are anti competitive, and corporate America does have way too much power. But in the the case of Trump this is strictly about inciting violence. Even giant corporations understand that unrest is economically bad for their bottom line. I am not going to pretend any of this is being done by them for noble reasons. 

But terrorism will affect their bottom line, a civil war also will affect their bottom line.

Giant corporations and GOP billionaire donors are fleeing from Trump and that party, because they know growing seditious terrorism will affect even them.

I'd certainly be for re-instating the "fairness act" that Reagan destroyed and apply that to all formats, not just tv networks. But while protecting offensive speech should always be protected, calls for violence isn't protected speech, no matter the class.

He says impeachment means "shown guilty" then turns right around and gives the dictionary definition which limits impeachment to the bringing of charges.  Everyone but halfwit Trumpkins know the difference between a charge and a verdict.

Can't even understand his own drivel.  What a fucking idiot.

Oh, but Drich talks to angels. He is the ultimate authority on everything an addled mind is sure of.

@Drich

Point by point:

1. The US Government has no First Amendment rights.

2. Putting and seconding the motion is NOT impeachment. Are you seriously contending that Politico’s three minute video montage is the impeachment?

3. Trump has not lost due process. This is exactly how it’s supposed to work. The House levies the charge and the Senate conducts the trial. Trump’s due process and the relevant evidence will be presented during the trial process. As yet, Trump hasn’t been found guilty of anything - he’s been impeached.

4. Pelosi did NOT ask that Trump be forcibly removed from office, she asked if his nuclear access codes could be deactivated. I agree that this was a stupid move on her part. And yes, the House alone impeaches - the Senate has absolutely no role in the impeachment process.

5. Even when the Democrats take control of the Senate, it would require a massive Republican defection to convict him.

6. No, you have to be formally accused of ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’, guilt doesn’t enter into it. 

Boru

(January 15, 2021 at 9:56 am)onlinebiker Wrote: The far left spent last summer shitting all over law and order.

Now the far right does the same.

Neither has any room to bitch about the other.

I have room to bitch about both.