(January 23, 2021 at 12:40 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:

(January 23, 2021 at 12:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote: "Duped" is what Jim Jones followers were. "Duped" was what Hitler's follower's were. "Duped" is what Stalin's followers were. And yes, "Duped" is what Trump's followers are.

I wish his loss would be the end of it, but this is just a breather.

I don't think people can be duped that completely without wanting to be duped.

Unfortunately you are right. Humans throughout our species history get used to social norms, especially when they are used to being in a majority, but when their social norms are challenged, unfortunately we have a tendency to protect bad claims, or absurdity and especially during times of social and economic stress, we can often turn to the worst bullies among our species for leadership.

If anyone reading this has watched all the episodes of "Cosmos" the newer version hosted by Neil Degrasse Tyson, he brought up many examples in human history worldwide, where the gatekeepers, "the powers that be" would negatively react to questioning of power. 

Trump is simply one more example of humans falling for a sociopath because of fear of change.

I was soooooo fucking refreshing to hear Dr. Fauci to say it was "liberating" to not have to worry about the orange fuckface stepping on him or silencing him.

Plane Banners Taunt Trump At Mar-a-Lago: ‘You Pathetic Loser,’ ‘Worst President Ever,’ ‘Go Back to Moscow’




There are even videos, like this one




https://www.mediaite.com/trump/plane-ban...to-moscow/

After Trump loses members are quitting 'sad' Mar-a-Lago (msn.com)

Many once-loyal members of  are leaving because they no longer want to have any connection to former President Donald Trump, according to the author of the definitive book about the resort.

Anyone have any tears to shed?

Boru

Orange turd supporter and My Pillowklan CEO Mike Lindell thrown off Twitter forever for repeating election conspiracies.

(January 26, 2021 at 8:18 am)Brian37 Wrote: Orange turd supporter and My Pillowklan CEO Mike Lindell thrown off Twitter forever for repeating election conspiracies.

Oh, goody. Now we get to have another round of Stop-violating-my-first-amendment-rights nonsense.

Boru

Today's vote on trial doesn't look good for conviction, even though the trial will take place in the Senate.

My question is, can the state or DC prosecutors still indict him and put him on trial? I say yes. Because we still are talking about independent government entities, and this trial in the Senate isn't a criminal charge that could put him in prison, but just a Statement of guilt and possible barring of holding public office again. I am not saying any criminal charge in a state case will happen, but just that the DOJ and Senate issue are separate types of trials.

I think what the assholes in the GOP Senate are trying to do is pull a fallacy so that if state  prosecutor or DC prosecutor wanted to make charges against Trump, they can say, "He wasn't convicted by the Senate". This would be akin to OJ getting off then claiming you cant sue him in a civil court, which is what happened and OJ was found legally liable for Nicole and Ron's deaths.

I bet if a no name layperson incited others to attack a DC police officer, or make threats to a congressperson or the Vice President, that person would be charged by a court. 

But regardless, it is fucking astounding that this isn't cut and dry for enough of the GOP. If Obama or Hillary had done the same the GOP would be calling for their heads.

The Senate vote will be a display of political self-interest. Some Republicans want to sever Trump from the party. Most are afraid of the rabid Trump supporters. A few think they can become Trump 2.0 .

(January 26, 2021 at 4:36 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Today's vote on trial doesn't look good for conviction, even though the trial will take place in the Senate.

My question is, can the state or DC prosecutors still indict him and put him on trial? I say yes. Because we still are talking about independent government entities, and this trial in the Senate isn't a criminal charge that could put him in prison, but just a Statement of guilt and possible barring of holding public office again. I am not saying any criminal charge in a state case will happen, but just that the DOJ and Senate issue are separate types of trials.

I think what the assholes in the GOP Senate are trying to do is pull a fallacy so that if state  prosecutor or DC prosecutor wanted to make charges against Trump, they can say, "He wasn't convicted by the Senate". This would be akin to OJ getting off then claiming you cant sue him in a civil court, which is what happened and OJ was found legally liable for Nicole and Ron's deaths.

I bet if a no name layperson incited others to attack a DC police officer, or make threats to a congressperson or the Vice President, that person would be charged by a court. 

But regardless, it is fucking astounding that this isn't cut and dry for enough of the GOP. If Obama or Hillary had done the same the GOP would be calling for their heads.

Yes, he can be tried in other courts even after being acquitted by the Senate for the same offenses. The US Constitution is very clear on that:

Quote:Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust, or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indict­ ment, Trial, Judgment, and Punishment, according to Law.

No matter what crime a President commits while in office, the most a Senate conviction can do is to remove him and prevent him from holding office again. If Trump were to have walked onto the floor of the House and shot Nancy Pelosi between the eyes in front of 400 witnesses, the Senate couldn’t send him to prison for it. That’s why he’s subject to trial and conviction after leaving office.

Boru