(March 12, 2021 at 3:19 am)SUNGULA Wrote:

Quote:One of the crimes for which Floyd was imprisoned in the past was a home invasion where he held a pistol to the pregnant homeowners bump and demanded she tell him where the money was or he'd fire. Not VERY Jesus like..

The homeowner wasn't pregnant nor did he threaten to fire the gun. Oh, and Jesus was a convicted criminal too. Sorry imperfect victim narratives don't fly here .


https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/meme-s...inal-case/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-thi...henriquez/

Fair enough, looks like I was misinformed to a degree, although in truth the reports RE the victim being pregnant are conflicting - nothing you've linked to says she WAS NOT pregnant, and is there really much difference between holding a gun to somebody's abdomen and verbally threatening to fire? Not really much, says I. Jesus' "crimes" were less...er...obvious? Violent? Brutal? Despicable? Something like that, than Floyd's, at least by today's standards.

(March 12, 2021 at 9:58 am)Lawz Wrote:

(March 12, 2021 at 3:19 am)SUNGULA Wrote: The homeowner wasn't pregnant nor did he threaten to fire the gun. Oh, and Jesus was a convicted criminal too. Sorry imperfect victim narratives don't fly here .


https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/meme-s...inal-case/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-thi...henriquez/

Fair enough, looks like I was misinformed to a degree, although in truth the reports RE the victim being pregnant are conflicting - nothing you've linked to says she WAS NOT pregnant, and is there really much difference between holding a gun to somebody's abdomen and verbally threatening to fire? Not really much, says I. Jesus' "crimes" were less...er...obvious? Violent? Brutal? Despicable? Something like that, than Floyd's, at least by today's standards.

1. No evidence of her being pregnant seems like good enough evidence she wasn't. 

2. Yes there is a difference.

3.Whether his crimes were more brutal is irrelevant he was still a criminal and whipping people is pretty brutal.

Here's what I get from this thread...some people think that guilt in the past means G Floyd needed to die. And he was high on drugs; he needed to die.

A law professor I had called this the "he needed killing" method of criminal justice.

(March 12, 2021 at 9:23 am)brewer Wrote:

You have that luxury. Here at George Floyd Central, we can't get away from this.

(March 12, 2021 at 10:53 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Here's what I get from this thread...some people think that guilt in the past means G Floyd needed to die.  And he was high on drugs; he needed to die.

Not me - his death was tragic and wrong - IMO the result of the application of ill-conceived police restraint and detainment protocol.

(March 12, 2021 at 10:53 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Here's what I get from this thread...some people think that guilt in the past means G Floyd needed to die.  And he was high on drugs; he needed to die.

A law professor I had called this the "he needed killing" method of criminal justice.

I am so sick of this shit. I agree.

I am sorry to say that I was a huge fan of the Dirty Harry movie series growing up. But that isn't real life.

This wasn't Floyd.

(March 12, 2021 at 11:00 am)Angrboda Wrote:

(March 12, 2021 at 9:23 am)brewer Wrote:

You have that luxury.  Here at George Floyd Central, we can't get away from this.

Strictly about the conversations here, not about the reality.

(March 12, 2021 at 10:53 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Here's what I get from this thread...some people think that guilt in the past means G Floyd needed to die.  And he was high on drugs; he needed to die.

A law professor I had called this the "he needed killing" method of criminal justice.

Nope. That was not the insinuation at all. The relevance of the drugs are that one of the autopsy reports said that if Floyd was found dead without any surrounding circumstances, the default analysis would be that he died of a drug overdose.

That leads to the question of how much of an impact an overdosing amount of drugs had on his death. There was more than one autopsy and the conclusions differ. One of the autopsy reports says the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." The other autopsy ruled the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

We have conflicting results there. Did Floyd die of heart failure, or was it simply the knee on the neck? Floyd also had heart disease, hypertension and sickle cell trait. He was also just getting over Corona, and was likely in a state of excited delirium.[url=https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/sicklecell/traits.html][/url]

These are all extremely important details. Others don't want these things mentioned though, because they have the mentality of "I saw the tape. I know what I saw. Seeing is believing." I care about all the evidence though. The eyes deceive and I need to use more than simply my sight to try to figure out exactly what went on here. Remember what the default position used to be on atheist boards like this? "I'd rather see a hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man get locked up." That doesn't quite seem to be the default anymore.

Chauvin definitely f'd up, and maybe you could call it murder or manslaughter or something along those lines. Maybe. I see too many questions up in the air right now though, and if I were on the jury, I don't think I could vote to convict him with what we currently know, but I'm waiting to see what other evidence comes in during the trial.

Quote:Nope. That was not the insinuation at all. The relevance of the drugs are that one of the autopsy reports said that if Floyd was found dead without any surrounding circumstances, the default analysis would be that he died of a drug overdose.

That's an outstandingly astute observation: If Mr. Floyd didn't have a 200lb cop pressing a knee into his neck for eight minutes, he would not have died of a 200lb cop pressing a knee into his neck for eight minutes.

Boru

(March 12, 2021 at 6:57 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(March 12, 2021 at 10:53 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Here's what I get from this thread...some people think that guilt in the past means G Floyd needed to die.  And he was high on drugs; he needed to die.

A law professor I had called this the "he needed killing" method of criminal justice.

Nope. That was not the insinuation at all. The relevance of the drugs are that one of the autopsy reports said that if Floyd was found dead without any surrounding circumstances, the default analysis would be that he died of a drug overdose.

That leads to the question of how much of an impact an overdosing amount of drugs had on his death. There was more than one autopsy and the conclusions differ. One of the autopsy reports says the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." The other autopsy ruled the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

We have conflicting results there. Did Floyd die of heart failure, or was it simply the knee on the neck? Floyd also had heart disease, hypertension and sickle cell trait. He was also just getting over Corona, and was likely in a state of excited delirium.[/url]

These are all extremely important details. Others don't want these things mentioned though, because they have the mentality of "I saw the tape. I know what I saw. Seeing is believing." I care about all the evidence though. The eyes deceive and I need to use more than simply my sight to try to figure out exactly what went on here. Remember what the default position used to be on atheist boards like this? "I'd rather see a hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man get locked up." That doesn't quite seem to be the default anymore.

Chauvin definitely f'd up, and maybe you could call it murder or manslaughter or something along those lines. Maybe. I see too many questions up in the air right now though, and if I were on the jury, I don't think I could vote to convict him with what we currently know, but I'm waiting to see what other evidence comes in during the trial.

Looking at the different fonts and different styles of writing, it's pretty obvious that your post contains some quotes.  You should cite where you are getting your quotes from.  It's obvious with a quick search that you decided to copy/paste bits and pieces from here and there.

George Floyd: What Is a Fatal Dose of Fentanyl?, by Paul ...

https://www.unz.com/proberts/what-is-a-fatal-dose-of-fentanyl/?showcomments[url=https://www.bing.com/search?q=That+leads+to+the+question+of+how+much+of+an+impact+an+overdosing+amount+of+drugs+had+on+his+death.+There+was+more+than+one+autopsy+and+the+conclusions+differ.+One+of+the+autopsy+reports+says+the+cause+of+death+was+%22cardiopulmonary+arrest+complicating+law+enforcement+subdual%2C+restraint%2C+and+neck+compression.%22+The+other+autopsy+ruled+the+cause+of+death+as+%22asphyxiation+from+sustained+pressure.%22&aqs=edge..69i57&FORM=ANCMS9&PC=HCTS#]
Let’s not forget the official autopsy cause of death of George Floyd: cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression. ... 19 ng/mL of methamphetamine, and three other drugs. If he had survived that shit, he would above average on everything. It is quite likely that he was way below average.