Quote:Not acceptable crime?


How fucking redundant.


Why not just make it " really, really illegal"?


Look - odds are if some prick is trying to make your insides your outsides - he's probably not real fond of you.....

Again it's bout motivation

(March 19, 2021 at 9:35 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Not acceptable crime?


How fucking redundant.


Why not just make it " really, really illegal"?


Look - odds are if some prick is trying to make your insides your outsides - he's probably not real fond of you.....

The point is that violence against certain classes has been used as a tool of oppression and using violence to hurt not just the victim but also all of their class is worse than personal violence.

(March 19, 2021 at 9:50 pm)Angrbodal Wrote:

(March 19, 2021 at 9:35 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Not acceptable crime?


How fucking redundant.


Why not just make it " really, really illegal"?


Look - odds are if some prick is trying to make your insides your outsides - he's probably not real fond of you.....

The point is that violence against certain classes has been used as a tool of oppression and using violence to hurt not just the victim but also all of their class is worse than personal violence.

Still seems silly to me....

Consider - the motherfucker in question in this case killed 8 people in cold blood. 6 were Asian 2 were not.
So are we going to debate what percentage of his hatred is directed at Asian people?

Who gives a shit? Overall his discrimination against Asians is peanuts compared to the fact that he killed 8 human beings.

He's going to get 8 life sentences. (He should face a firing squad) He's only getting out of prison horizontally.

Fuck this guy. Try him. If found guilty (I suspect he is) lock him in a 6 x 9 foot box and leave him there alone till he quits wasting atmosphere. Forget about the prick and who he likes or doesn't.

He' s not worth scrutiny.

(March 19, 2021 at 7:17 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(March 19, 2021 at 6:51 pm)jasonelijah Wrote: Do you personally believe the crazed gunman when he says it wasn't a hate crime? Why would he lie?

My guess is this guy had an Asian leaning, and got turned down by an Asian. So it is still a hate crime to me.

I think his business targets say a lot about what he was angry about.

What makes you think he got turned down? His problem was that he didn't get turned down, and hated himself for his addiction because his religion brainwashed him into thinking he was bad for having sex. Maybe he was racist, but that doesn't necessarily mean the crime was motivated by race. Maybe it was. We don't really know. It's fucked up and a tragedy either way though. The things religion does to the mind. Sad.

When it comes to Corona, China definitely should be criticized and held to account for what they did by covering up the truth for as long as they could, punishing whistle blowers, and refusing to allow any investigations by outsiders for a long time. This was extremely reckless and impacted the world greatly. At the same time, the former POTUS should have been more careful with his language because that has had an impact. A lot of people are morons, and racist morons are going to act out in a situation like this.

The black and Asian communities have had a not so great relationship with each other for a long time, and that surely has a lot to do with much of these attacks on Asian-Americans. Many blacks feel like Asians are using blacks to make money while treating them like crap, and won't hire them to work in their stores and instead hire family members, and this virus has just ratcheted up their hate for Asians even more. A lot of these videos you see Asians being knocked out. That's called the knock out game and it's been around for a while. At the same time, blacks are being treated outrageously in China. Reprehensible stuff. It's sad all around.

(March 20, 2021 at 8:23 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(March 19, 2021 at 9:50 pm)Angrbodal Wrote: The point is that violence against certain classes has been used as a tool of oppression and using violence to hurt not just the victim but also all of their class is worse than personal violence.

Still seems silly to me....

Consider - the motherfucker in question in this case killed 8 people in cold blood. 6 were Asian 2 were not.
So are we going to debate what percentage of his hatred is directed at Asian people?

Who gives a shit? Overall his discrimination against Asians is peanuts compared to the fact that he killed 8 human beings.

He's going to get 8 life sentences. (He should face a firing squad) He's only getting out of prison horizontally.

Fuck this guy. Try him. If found guilty (I suspect he is) lock him in a 6 x 9 foot box and leave him there alone till he quits wasting atmosphere. Forget about the prick and who he likes or doesn't.

He' s not worth scrutiny.

The other part is that without his hatred of Asians those people might not be dead. If that hatred is that consequential, sanctioning it with more severe sentences in order to deter it is appropriate.

It's society's way of saying the hatred itself is wrong.

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(March 20, 2021 at 8:50 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: When it comes to Corona, China definitely should be criticized and held to account for what they did by covering up the truth for as long as they could, punishing whistle blowers, and refusing to allow any investigations by outsiders for a long time. This was extremely reckless and impacted the world greatly. At the same time, the former POTUS should have been more careful with his language because that has had an impact. A lot of people are morons, and racist morons are going to act out in a situation like this.

How greatly did it affect the world? And how does that compare to how greatly the world was affected by people like Trump and Bolsanaro dismissing the virus?

Give me a number. How many more dead? And is that still true even though, knowing the virus was deadly, Donald Trump allowed 40,000 people to enter the U.S. from China?

(March 20, 2021 at 8:23 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(March 19, 2021 at 9:50 pm)Angrbodal Wrote: The point is that violence against certain classes has been used as a tool of oppression and using violence to hurt not just the victim but also all of their class is worse than personal violence.

Still seems silly to me....

Consider - the motherfucker in question in this case killed 8 people in cold blood. 6 were Asian 2 were not.
So are we going to debate what percentage of his hatred is directed at Asian people?

Who gives a shit? Overall his discrimination against Asians is peanuts compared to the fact that he killed 8 human beings.

He's going to get 8 life sentences. (He should face a firing squad) He's only getting out of prison horizontally.

Fuck this guy. Try him. If found guilty (I suspect he is) lock him in a 6 x 9 foot box and leave him there alone till he quits wasting atmosphere. Forget about the prick and who he likes or doesn't.

He' s not worth scrutiny.

Motives are important, as in we should try to understand what made him like that and how we might try to prevent others from following that path in the future, but you're right. It shouldn't really matter that much to the sentencing. What he did was fucked up enough already. The worst is that anti-lynching virtue signalling bill that Rand Paul rightfully opposed. Lynching is already a crime, and they redefined it to mean even a small scratch or whatever can be considered lynching. Rand Paul was made into a pro-lynching Nazi by the media for rightfully opposing it, of course.

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(March 20, 2021 at 9:06 am)Angrboda Wrote:

(March 20, 2021 at 8:23 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Still seems silly to me....

Consider - the motherfucker in question in this case killed 8 people in cold blood. 6 were Asian 2 were not.
So are we going to debate what percentage of his hatred is directed at Asian people?

Who gives a shit? Overall his discrimination against Asians is peanuts compared to the fact that he killed 8 human beings.

He's going to get 8 life sentences. (He should face a firing squad) He's only getting out of prison horizontally.

Fuck this guy. Try him. If found guilty (I suspect he is) lock him in a 6 x 9 foot box and leave him there alone till he quits wasting atmosphere. Forget about the prick and who he likes or doesn't.

He' s not worth scrutiny.

The other part is that without his hatred of Asians those people might not be dead.  If that hatred is that consequential, sanctioning it with more severe sentences in order to deter it is appropriate.

It's society's way of saying the hatred itself is wrong.

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(March 20, 2021 at 8:50 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: When it comes to Corona, China definitely should be criticized and held to account for what they did by covering up the truth for as long as they could, punishing whistle blowers, and refusing to allow any investigations by outsiders for a long time. This was extremely reckless and impacted the world greatly. At the same time, the former POTUS should have been more careful with his language because that has had an impact. A lot of people are morons, and racist morons are going to act out in a situation like this.

How greatly did it affect the world?  And how does that compare to how greatly the world was affected by people like Trump and Bolsanaro dismissing the virus?

Give me a number.  How many more dead?  And is that still true even though, knowing the virus was deadly, Donald Trump allowed 40,000 people to enter the U.S. from China?

I can't give you a number, but China acted in it's own interests and said fuck the world. They hid the virus and punished whistle blowers. Didn't allow investigations. Trump fucked up as did China. This isn't a competition. Trump and the Chinese government are both horrendous.

It's worth bearing in mind as well that even if his primary motive wasn't Asian American hatred, if he did hate Asian Americans then it affected his choices.

In the end, all that matters is that he did a bad thing. Does his motive somehow make his actions less reprehensible?

(March 20, 2021 at 10:22 am)Eleven Wrote: In the end, all that matters is that he did a bad thing. Does his motive somehow make his actions less reprehensible?

Of course it does. What if he needed money to buy medicine for his sick mother, and this was all a robbery gone bad. Does the motive matter then?